Upper Deck Black ?

[DonMaynard]

So, I'm new here and thought that I would get things rolling by asking a simple question. Just when is Upper Deck Black going to be priced? Seems to me that the good guys at beckett aren't really making an atempt to get it done. I mean I havn't heard a thing...Seems weird.


Let me know what you think?

Zach

[DonMaynard]

Yeah, It's been a long time! they need to stop doing video breaks and start working!!!

[Bondsaway]

Yea I have 3 quads been waiting on guess I better start pricing myself

[DonMaynard]

I wonder if it is because it was by redemption only? Thats the only thing that I can think of, but give me 4 hours and I could have to whole set priced. It's not that hard, most of the cards price themselves. hahaha

[sch1tz0fr3nik]

I belive its because Beckett is run by Idiots...Zach knows what i'm talkin about(sterling Baseball Cuts is a prime example)
Other than that initial guess, i cant even guess why they cant price UD Black

[tradebark]

why does it really matter?

it's not like their prices are accurate anyway, you're better off using ebay completed auctions..

[sch1tz0fr3nik]

Not everyone goes by Sale Value..and alot of people get offended if thats what you go by...
So as the hobby is right now...Book Value is the Main way people trade. And something taking a year to get priced in beckett and being very popular and not getting priced by "the #1 Authority on Collectibles" is, for lack of a better term, Stupid

[tradebark]

It's pretty poor logic to go by book value when the methods they use to get it are either obsolete or worse (fabricated)

There is ONE person running Beckett basketball. ONE. Not two, not three, just ONE guy. Now you tell me if this person, even with the best intentions, could possibly come up with accurate prices for even one years' worth of products?

Even if that were not the case, Beckett's method of getting prices for cards was to call up dealers around the country and get sale prices for singles, and then via average or whatever, come up with a rough value that they use in the guide.

10 years ago, you had literally 10 times as many card shops in the country, and ask any store owner--that number is shrinking with every passing year..

So you have 10% of your resources than back in the olden days of no easily available internet.

Nowadays, most card shops will sell a majority of their singles on eBay since it garners a larger audience and helps move the product faster..

So who exactly is Beckett calling to get their prices? I challenge you to ask your local shop/s if they ever give Beckett input on prices for singles, and I'll put money on the line that the answer to that is a big fat No.

That only leaves eBay and perhaps Yahoo auctions as the places where beckett gathers this so-called market value.. Which you can check on your own pretty easily.

Beckett also abandoned their neutral stance of not allowing companies to advertise in their magazine, so they actually have quite a bit of implied incentive in listing higher prices for cards ;[

It's a completely worthless business that should just die. It serves no purpose other than allowing collectors to mislead themselves into thinking their cards are worth more than they really are..

[tradebark]

Uh, my point is that the source of information is either the same(ebay), or they fabricate it

For highly popular/priced cards, they go on eBay since the cards are too short-printed to fabricate values on.. For cards that aren't, they just take the price of the pack and compare it to a similar set and fill in the values themselves

Take for instance the BV on every base card and base set that comes out.. A Big Game LeBron base card BV $12 hi? Where did that come from? It has certainly never sold for that much on eBay, and even if it had in a card store, it is DEFINITELY not the average price or a fair reflection of market value.

To be able to use book value, Beckett would have to have something going for it that the average joe didn't.. So let's count the ways, shall we?

- Manpower: Nope. There's 1 guy running Beckett Basketball pricing
- Resources: Not really, can you can really count the dealers they supposedly go to for market value?
- Impartiality: Not only do they make their advertising money off of the companies they price, but they even have their own grading company which they also price...... If Upper Deck had a price guide for their own cards, would you use it?
- Accuracy: If BV held up in any fashion in the real world, my collection would probably be worth 10 times what it is right now.

Just ask yourself if you're doing yourself or the hobby any good by using Beckett for pricing :[

[theanswer0221]

people at card shops dont use bv or sv. it is obvious 90% or more card shops over price their cards. i bet most people dont pick up cards at card shops. most people get them at shows if they buy them individually or on the bay. i think SV is only good when your using on ebay. and this isnt ebay.