NO to Hillary- YES!

[theroyalsarethebestteam]

Go HILLARY!

[mikesilvia]

All of that only cost him 3500 soldiers' lives and tens of thousands of lives from 9/11 and hurricane 'trina due to his delayed reaction. We won't count lives from the Middle East. We did, after all, liberate them (that is,colonize their land, force them into assimilation, and eloquently exploit their primitive life style, a la Joseph Conrad). Gotta love elitists, eh?

Regurgitation what the media has told doesn't hold weight.

3,500 lives in Iraq? How many would there be if we didn't go in and there were more 9-11 type attacks? Iraq was more than just defeating Iraq it was going to the terrorists home court and making them fight military men instead on civilians. It worked and we will never know how many lives have been saved. The military men and women are all volunteers and know exactly what they are getting into and the vast majority want to be there to finish the job.

Katrina is Bush's fault? Do some actual research and you will see that Bush asked to step in and was DENIED by the local government. If you read the constitution and laws Bush can't just march federal soldiers in to any state without the permission of the local government. The Local government deserves 80% of the blame for their corruption and delay. Do some research instead of listening to the media or Kayne West.

We did, after all, liberate them (that is,colonize their land, force them into assimilation, and eloquently exploit their primitive life style, a la Joseph Conrad).

Do you actual believe this? This is not Star Trek where we are the Borg and Iraq is full of civilians we are converting.

Can I ask have you been to Iraq? Deployed to the Middle East? Read more than just the newspapers?

I have been to the Middle East in support of Iraq 6 times and have had 10 of my troops deploy to Iraq, Afghanistan and other locations inthe past 13 months. So unlike 99.8% of Americans, I'm informed on what is actually going on on the ground in Iraq.

Ever notice why we are not hearing ANY coverage in Iraq for the past 2 months? Because we are succeeding and the media doesn't report success.

[mikesilvia]

Go HILLARY!

I do hope she wins the nomination! She is a dream candidate for the Republicans to face. :)

[tutall]

All of that only cost him 3500 soldiers' lives and tens of thousands of lives from 9/11

Who knows what would have happened had we not gone to iraq. At the time Bush had to make somewhat of a quick decision. Who knows how many attacks we would have faced. Hindsight is 20/20... now that we know there were no WMDs it is different but at the time when EVERYONE thought they had some he made the right decisions for the time. If he wouldnt have acted and we get hit one year later now what are the slogans of the time?

and hurricane 'trina due to his delayed reaction.

this is getting stupid real quick. How can anyone honestly say a grown man caused death on purpose. I dont care who is in office if anything could have been done different it would have been done. Im sick of people talking about how he should have sent troops in. I remember in sixth grade watching a video on the fact that this was destined to happen... we built a city below sea level... it was bound to happen and it finally did... no one coul dhave saved all the lives that day... it was a bad situation with terrible outcome... and the president gets blamed...

We won't count lives from the Middle East. We did, after all, liberate them (that is,colonize their land, force them into assimilation, and eloquently exploit their primitive life style, a la Joseph Conrad). Gotta love elitists, eh?

elitest? well i guess you are right... as the most powerful country in the world it is somewhat our duty to play big brother.... we spend billions to send a high tech piece of metal to mars that will cease to exist 10 years from now and be outdated but when we spend 300 Billion to send protective gear and supplies to the troops people start freaking out. Even if you dont agree with the war disrespecting the troops is ridiculous. It isnt like we attacked a remote group living in the middle of chile... it was a powerful government that imposed its fear and will on people. We exploited their primitive lifestyle, which was primitive because the government of the country wouldnt let them use luxeries most companies embrace.

[wwf1fan1]

Go HILLARY!

And keep right on going... Jupiter's nice this time of year!

[Yanksfan396]

Let me make this clear now: I do not respect war. The patriotism crap doesn't work anymore--video games and the promise of heroism has desensitized the youth. While I'm being frank, I'll make it a point to personally scoff at those who speculate on the proverbial what-ifs.

We were/are not in Iraq for freedom nor vengeance. Humans are far too greedy to spend billions on that. Once again, you find yourselves suffocating in your veil or patriotism. Shall we talk about research? Surely, then, it will not surprise you to find your Messiah's signature on the damning document that forced Katrina's homeless to pay mortgage on their leveled homes.

Your credibility does not impress me, Mike. I view this war in the same light as I do Vietnam. Hence, I view its soldiers equally.

I believe I have voiced myself both cleanly and effectively; I will now gladly remove my subscription to this thread. Please feel free to submit all messages of malice to me via PM.

Adieu.

[mikesilvia]

Let me make this clear now: I do not respect war.

So, even World War II and the Korean War? When you don't have war then evil wins. War is what stopped Hitler and the lack of a military is what allowed China to take Tibet without a struggle.

The patriotism crap doesn't work anymore--video games and the promise of heroism has desensitized the youth. While I'm being frank, I'll make it a point to personally scoff at those who speculate on the proverbial what-ifs.

"What ifs" are better than "all war is evil."

We were/are not in Iraq for freedom nor vengeance. Humans are far too greedy to spend billions on that. Once again, you find yourselves suffocating in your veil or patriotism. Shall we talk about research? Surely, then, it will not surprise you to find your Messiah's signature on the damning document that forced Katrina's homeless to pay mortgage on their leveled homes.

Huh? Do you have a link to these "messiahs"? Do you drive a car? Heat your home? You are just as responsible for our government needing to protect US interest in the Middle East. The only people that can say, "no blood for oil" are the ones that do not use energy that comes from oil.

Your credibility does not impress me, Mike. I view this war in the same light as I do Vietnam. Hence, I view its soldiers equally.

And that is? Let me guess, you hate all soldiers?

[wwf1fan1]

Why is it that most think our military exists to sit around stateside and play cards, get drunk, and get out after 4 years? On to enjoying free college, bonus points on Civil Service Exams, retirement after 20 years sorting mail. And VA loans for housing plus great medical benefits for life? My sisters and I and my father and grandfather served to SERVE. If we aspire to have a Hogan's Heroes, M*A*S*H*, or F-Troop military, it is no wonder other countries feel they can attack us on our own soil. I pity all of you when the enemy comes in the night to burn your houses and do what they please with your wives, sisters, mothers, and daughters should you ever actually get your wishes granted. Politics aside, grow up! The enemy doesn't tiptoe to defend their cause- why should we?

[tutall]

Let me make this clear now: I do not respect war. The patriotism crap doesn't work anymore--video games and the promise of heroism has desensitized the youth. While I'm being frank, I'll make it a point to personally scoff at those who speculate on the proverbial what-ifs.

the what-ifs have to be asked. If not why would we ever do anything reactive. If we dont look into what could happen we will be reactive instead of pro-active... when lives are at stake i would prefer the later of the two. You need to spend some time looking into what has actually happened.. not what CNN and MTV report. Sit down with someone who has been in Iraq and let them tell you straight about the changes that have come in the last few years. Let them tell you how people now have constant power to their homes, are able to send mail to family in another country, how they can now go to a library and enjoy themselves once in a while.

We were/are not in Iraq for freedom nor vengeance. Humans are far too greedy to spend billions on that. Once again, you find yourselves suffocating in your veil or patriotism. Shall we talk about research? Surely, then, it will not surprise you to find your Messiah's signature on the damning document that forced Katrina's homeless to pay mortgage on their leveled homes.

let me first address the part about forcing them to make mortgage payments. I work for the evil empire (the bank) and it was actually set in place so the rest of the economy didnt collapse. The contract you sign when you buy the house states you are responsible for maintaining the property. If it is leveled you are still responsible to pay. If you dont the bank has the right to foreclose and take your property. If this was not in place any bank that had a large amount on loans in that area would have closed up. What the government did was make it possible for the banks to collect insurance money so it is spread more thin than just impacting banks. Its amazing how anything that happens is automatically the governments fault.

[rodent14]

I would prefer to see obama or edwards win the democratic nomination. I think either of them would make a good president and they're both more likeable than hillary. as for the republicans, i can't really see voting for any of the candidates they have and here's my reasons for each:

Romney- same problem that kerry had, doesn't stand firmly on any of his issues. I never really get the feeling that he's telling the whole truth about things and a lot of the time it turns out that he embellishes some of the stuff that he has supposedly done. also i can't see the republican party nominating a mormon as their candidate. I doubt he'd do well in the south and i wouldn't be at all surprised if there were some sort of ultra-conservative third party that stole votes away if there were a romney-obama general election.

Thompson- he might have experience but he wasted the early momentum he had when he entered the race and he's fallen too far behind. i doubt he'd be able to catch up well enough to win the nomination.

Giuliani- Although he did well at making a good image of himself after 9/11, it's likely he would focus very heavily on anti-terrorism and he also is a supporter of the war in Iraq, which is a conflict that i do not support. being against terrorism is fine, but i see him being too much like bush, and would be concerned that he would continually try to do stuff using 9/11 as an excuse, much like what bush did with the patriot act.

McCain- if this were still 2000 I would say mccain would be a good choice. he's a veteran and has experience but now he's too old and he's hurt himself by being way too supportive of the war.

Paul- I like him with some things, and he's the candidate which seems the most genuine, but every now and then he just comes out with stuff that makes you scratch your head. some ideas like the abolition of he UN i just view as a bad idea, and he needs to focus more on running a campaign rather than discussing conspiracy theories like his NAFTA superhighway.

Hunter- not even going to grace him with a response.

Huckabee- He's a good candidate, seems likeable, and has the support of evangelicals. I don't like him for everything, but he's the only republican i could potentially consider voting for. however, most likely my vote will be going to the democratic party since the war is a big issue for me.