5.56 isn't big enough

[11chaos]

Bullets pose controversy
The smaller, steel-penetrating M855 rounds continue to be a weak spot in the American arsenal. They are not lethal enough to bring down an enemy decisively, and that puts troops at risk, according to Associated Press interviews.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24828356/

Alot of us military members agree that the M16/M4 isn't firing a big enough round. The 5.56 round just doesn't put down the target like you need. The M9 Pistol that the troops carry isn't much better. Better to use it as a club.

[haybierman]

I've often wondered about that. Most of the AR rounds I've shot were nothing but glorified .22 rounds. What do you think should replace them and why?

[11chaos]

Looking more towards a 7.62 round. I prefer the Old M14.

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as15-e.htm

[haybierman]

Aren't 7.62 the glorified .22s I was talking about?

[gsj68]

Aren't 7.62 the glorified .22s I was talking about?

7.62 and .22

[haybierman]

Obviously the powder load is larger on a 7.62 but the 7.62 is really just a .22 slug that goes a lot faster than the regular .22. It still doesn't have the stopping power of a large caliber rifle or a large caliber pistol for that matter.

[gsj68]

Obviously the powder load is larger on a 7.62 but the 7.62 is really just a .22 slug that goes a lot faster than the regular .22. It still doesn't have the stopping power of a large caliber rifle or a large caliber pistol for that matter.

think of the 7.62 as more of a short 30-06,it rips stuff up

[haybierman]

I dunno man. I shot a lot of 7.62 round at the academy and it didn't really "rip stuff up"... especially when compared to our duty-carry .40 cal sig pistols or the .12 gauge shotty slugs.

[11chaos]

Shotguns are fine for room clearing but not for field stuff. Pistols are fine but for long range I would love to have the M14 it would allow me to reach out accurately with a heavier slug.



I have fired numerous rifles/MG and prefer for the Us to come up with thier own version of an AK. It doesn't jam when dirt is near it like the M16 does.

[haybierman]

Have you checked out the Magpul Masada? Its supposedly supposed to make the common AR a lot more durable.

http://www.magpul.com/tech/masada.html