how do you trade????????

[bballcardheaven]

I hope you were being slightly sarcastic

Im curious when you pull a SICK Lebron Auto where is the first place you go look to see how much you can sell it for??? Do you come up with price on your own? Show me a person that doesnt open a Beckett or Tuff Stuff before they put items up on ebay to try and determine what they want for a specific card...

So if people use a publication to determine a SV how can anyone say NEVER?

Not at all sarcastic. If I pull a SICK Lebron Auto I will usually know what its worth. Regardless of if I know or not, I will check completed listings on ebay. Thats it. I cant remember how long it has been since I have looked in the pricing section of Beckett. I really only have the magazine to read the pulls, to see the super collector, and to look at product previews. How is knowing the beckett value going to help you accurately price a card for ebay? There are cards BV $500 that sell for $600 and there are cards BV $500 that sell for $200. How does knowing that it books $500 going to help you at all?????

[bjtheman1]

I like to go by BV unless it's a rare, or unpriced card.
Both have their own controversy. SV changes day by day, it's truely tough to go by at times.
On any given day a mediocre player can have a fantastic game and all SV's of their cards go up...then everyone wants SV. Then after that they might not ever have a decent game again and everyone's back to the BV b/c it's probably more than the current SV.
The hobby has changed alot since years ago, most people are out for the almighty dollar or whatever is in the best interest for them now.
Trades are tough at times, rule of thumb in my opinion if it's a card you truly want then there's nothing wrong trading more for it if it makes you happy.

[XxViSiOnxX]

Not at all sarcastic. If I pull a SICK Lebron Auto I will usually know what its worth. Regardless of if I know or not, I will check completed listings on ebay. Thats it. I cant remember how long it has been since I have looked in the pricing section of Beckett. I really only have the magazine to read the pulls, to see the super collector, and to look at product previews. How is knowing the beckett value going to help you accurately price a card for ebay? There are cards BV $500 that sell for $600 and there are cards BV $500 that sell for $200. How does knowing that it books $500 going to help you at all?????

Since when did Book Value's ever help you decide what Sale value is???
the last time i checked a Beckett which was just before this post it does not say anything about "This PriceGuide helps Collectors Decide Sale Values" in it!! So your post was either Sarcastic or Demeaning, Collectors know if you want to Determine Sale Value SELL IT!! period....! There should be nothing else to discuss on sale value....Now for Book Value the Priceguide is exactly what it sounds like "GUIDE" it helps you get a Ballpark value of the card for Trading purposes only some people use it for there trades Like Tyler and Me and countless others and Some like to trade by Sale Value and thats Equally fine, All im saying is everyone needs to stop Using/Saying Beckett or Tuff stuff is incorrect or what ever reasons you want to use for not Using them, I'ts a "GUIDE" it doesn't say "this is the price and thats that" its just a reference value and not an actual value in the end if a deals struck then the guide has served its purpose....!

[tarheelsnipe]

The term book value was originated before the age of the internet. It helped LCS's and collectors establish a base value on cards. It was basically a starting point. It is still used in this way today, but to a lesser extent. The internet, and the flood of information that followed, has diminished the usefulness of the price guide. It's only a matter of time before the die-hard price guide followers give in. Even the mighty Beckett allows collectors to input the prices they actually paid for their cards (hint - that's sell value).

I also use Ebay as my primary source, especially for new releases since it's usually overloaded with product up to a year after the release. For the harder pulls, I will also use Beckett Marketplace, Sportsbuy, and a few other dealers' sites to get a good market snapshot. Lastly, I'll try to find a dedicated player collector to ask. I did that just the other day on here before bidding on a Bill Russell auto.

[XxViSiOnxX]

i doubt that the die hard price guide users will ever give in to the sale value era, although you are correct the internet is flooded with info etc which makes sale value's easier to come by but at the same token a sale value trader and a bv trader will still have there differences thus keeping the battle ongoing, i myself will not trade by sale value..."Unless" its a card that has no book value then thats were sale value will come into play, and others have mentioned sale value is inconsistant one card can sell for nearly $100 one day and that same card 2 days later can be had for $60 so you also need to factor that in when sale value's are used...9 times outta 10 sale value users always grab the highest sale value of a card and use that as a point of origin on trading when when the other comes back with the lowest value the deal is off so back to book values i go, those remain consistant for the most part and could be used to seal a deal, but as for all everyone has there opinions and are entitled to them but theres always going to be a book value user and a sale value user.

[tarheelsnipe]

If you're only using the price guide to determine card values, commons or rares, you're putting on blinders to a HUGE part of the market. I just think with statements like "i only use bv" or "i only use sv", the collector is either not being honest with himself, or ignoring a big piece of the metaphorical pie.

[XxViSiOnxX]

If you're only using the price guide to determine card values, commons or rares, you're putting on blinders to a HUGE part of the market. I just think with statements like "i only use bv" or "i only use sv", the collector is either not being honest with himself, or ignoring a big piece of the metaphorical pie.

Edit: i need to ask this first before i elaborate any further....!

can you explain to me why people use sale value and weather its profit for the marketplace or themself's?

[tarheelsnipe]

I'm strictly a collector. 80% of my Ebay feedback is as a buyer. I think I know where you were going. Trust me. If I was looking to make money, it wouldn't be in THIS hobby. My investments are standard IRA's and stocks.

Don't take my posts the wrong way. I'm not trying to slam your opinion. I'm just raising a point. Why would you enter into any negotiation, trading or selling, without having all the tools at your disposal? I've been in this hobby for a couple decades now. Information is king here.

[XxViSiOnxX]

I'm strictly a collector. 80% of my Ebay feedback is as a buyer. I think I know where you were going. Trust me. If I was looking to make money, it wouldn't be in THIS hobby. My investments are standard IRA's and stocks.

Don't take my posts the wrong way. I'm not trying to slam your opinion. I'm just raising a point. Why would you enter into any negotiation, trading or selling, without having all the tools at your disposal? I've been in this hobby for a couple decades now. Information is king here.

i also have been in this hobby for more than 2 decade's myself and i know what it take's to make deal's etc and no i didn't take any of your post's the wrong way it just seemed as you were slamming bv's and holding sv's supreme, as you mentioned bv's were the stepping stone for card values and was the only source back then of course but like everything evolves a new era of pricing exists and some people have adopted it and there will always be those that dont.....

[yankeesfan24]

i know u guys probably already know,

but heres atleast how i think a trade should go down for BV

Bv for BV

if no Bv, then SV

if not cards have been sold yet, just trade for an equal card

that wya both sides are happy

again,

just my 2 cents