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[sanfran22]

Why do you think that? We've had tons of socialist-type programs in this country before Obama, and will have the same ones after.

My guess...Because he goes around apologizing for what we are. Because his wife says she's finally proud to be an American. Because he's shown that his answer to everything is more money/gov't programs and extensions. His a big gov't, we will take care of you because you can't do it yourself type of guy. It's apparent he doesn't like what we are and needs to mold us into a more euro style country.....

[mrveggieman]

Christians would not allow that to happen. Let's not talk in hypotheticals, though, let's talk in facts. Is there a Muslim government in the world that is not outwardly oppressive of non-Muslims and minorities of all types?

How is that any different from the christian gov't that we had in the united states for hundreds of years that enslaved blacks, practiced segregation and opressed women?

[AUTaxMan]

How is that any different from the christian gov't that we had in the united states for hundreds of years that enslaved blacks, practiced segregation and opressed women?

I am not talking about what happened 100 or 200 years ago. I am talking about today. Do you honestly fear that our nation will return to the days of slavery and segregation if it was run by Christians?

[sanfran22]

I thought I heard it wasn't a Christian govt?? Libs having it both ways....nice.

[mrveggieman]

I am not talking about what happened 100 or 200 years ago. I am talking about today. Do you honestly fear that our nation will return to the days of slavery and segregation if it was run by Christians?

If the religious right had their way they would it would be very uncomfortable for everyone that they consider an undesirable eg minorities and nonbelievers. They wont admit to it but you and I both know that is their desire.

[sanfran22]

If the religious right had their way they would it would be very uncomfortable for everyone that they consider an undesirable eg minorities and nonbelievers. They wont admit to it but you and I both know that is their desire.

What do Christians have against minorities? I understand the nonbeliever line of thinking (which I think you are offbase). It is a Christians duty to witness to nonbelievers at all costs. They will be persecuted, rejected and at times killed for it. They are not here to force anyone to believe though.

[AUTaxMan]

If the religious right had their way they would it would be very uncomfortable for everyone that they consider an undesirable eg minorities and nonbelievers. They wont admit to it but you and I both know that is their desire.

What exactly would they do that makes you so nervous?

[ensbergcollector]

College and church are completely different. I can't believe we are even comparing the two. People deal with schools they don't agree with because they want the degree the school offers. It is also not simple or cheap to just change schools every time you want. People choose churches that most falls in line with their own beliefs. If they don't like something, they leave and choose one of the other 30 churches in the same 2 square miles.
Also, choosing to attend a church for 20 years under the same pastor who you listen to every sunday is in no way comparable to all christians must follow fallwell. If I attended fallwell's church I would have left after one sunday. If I stayed there, it would be safe for you to assume that I agreed with him. If I left, it would be safe to assume I didn't.

So, when someone stays at a church for 20 years and refers to the pastor as their spiritual advisor, it is a safe assumption that that person agrees with the pastor.

[AUTaxMan]

I thought I heard it wasn't a Christian govt?? Libs having it both ways....nice.

Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

[ensbergcollector]

If the religious right had their way they would it would be very uncomfortable for everyone that they consider an undesirable eg minorities and nonbelievers. They wont admit to it but you and I both know that is their desire.

I love all the mind readers we have here. I love all of the "I have no basis for my inflammatory statement but I know what millions of people are thinking because I am a mind reader, just trust me."

that said, if by religious right you mean the fallwells of the world then sure. If you are referring to anyone who is devoutly christian then I would argue you are way off base.