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[sanfran22]

Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

GW's farewell.....nice...(no that's not bush libs) so sad that we are so far away from this. Our countries moral fiber is attacked daily by those that claim we have no right i.e "those that would subvert". It also shows to me , while our system was not set up as a religious rule, it won't work without it. Same can be said for Capitalism Imo.

[mrveggieman]

I love all the mind readers we have here. I love all of the "I have no basis for my inflammatory statement but I know what millions of people are thinking because I am a mind reader, just trust me."

that said, if by religious right you mean the fallwells of the world then sure. If you are referring to anyone who is devoutly christian then I would argue you are way off base.

That is exactly what I am referring to. Fallwell, Pat Robertson and all of their followers. Most people in the united states who claim a particular religion are christians and I would like to believe that the majority of them are good people. It's the right wing religious fanatics that I have a problem with.

[mrveggieman]

What do Christians have against minorities? I understand the nonbeliever line of thinking (which I think you are offbase). It is a Christians duty to witness to nonbelievers at all costs. They will be persecuted, rejected and at times killed for it. They are not here to force anyone to believe though.

Again let me clarify not all christians are racists. I am referring to the right wing fanatics like fallwell, robertson and their thousands if not millions of followers.

[mrveggieman]

What exactly would they do that makes you so nervous?

What country have you been living in for the past 50 years? Have you heard about fallwells segregationist sermons or billy grahm talking about going in to a hispanic country and mudering their leader. I wont even go into that idiot pat robertson.

[AUTaxMan]

That is exactly what I am referring to. Fallwell, Pat Robertson and all of their followers. Most people in the united states who claim a particular religion are christians and I would like to believe that the majority of them are good people. It's the right wing religious fanatics that I have a problem with.

If that is true, then why do you bring up the kooky religious right fringe and seemingly paint all Christians with that brush every time Christianity is a topic here?

[AUTaxMan]

Again let me clarify not all christians are racists. I am referring to the right wing fanatics like fallwell, robertson and their thousands if not millions of followers.

Have you seen anything quantifying the number of followers Pat Robertson has? Falwell has zero followers, since he is dead. True Christians follow Jesus, not preachers.

[AUTaxMan]

What country have you been living in for the past 50 years? Have you heard about fallwells segregationist sermons or billy grahm talking about going in to a hispanic country and mudering their leader. I wont even go into that idiot pat robertson.

We might have a misunderstanding here. What exactly do you consider the "religious right"? Falwell, Robertson, and the like? I assumed you were speaking of Christians as a whole.

I would like to see the Graham allegation substantiated.

[mrveggieman]

If that is true, then why do you bring up the kooky religious right fringe and seemingly paint all Christians with that brush every time Christianity is a topic here?

For the same reason some of you like to paint all muslims the same way because of a few of their fringe lunitics.

[mrveggieman]

Have you seen anything quantifying the number of followers Pat Robertson has? Falwell has zero followers, since he is dead. True Christians follow Jesus, not preachers.

Yes I understand that fallwell is dead but his message of hatred and intollerance lives on through robertson and all of the other right wing religious extremists.

[AUTaxMan]

For the same reason some of you like to paint all muslims the same way because of a few of their fringe lunitics.

This is a factually inaccurate statement, as I have repeatedly said the opposite on here many times. There is a difference between the Christian extreme and and Muslim political extreme. Not all Muslims are extremists, but many are, and in all nations ruled under Muslim governance, minorities and women are outwardly oppressed. Also, millions of Muslims would like to see Israel wiped off the map. This is also a fact. Again, not all Muslims subscribe to this line of thinking but more than a fringe portion of them do.