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10-04-2011, 07:11 PM #101
again, it is hard to argue the extremist angle when you have multiple countries who are apparently run by "extremists." I would never make the leap that since bin laden was muslim that all muslims are terrorists. But I can understand how people look at the 40+ countries that are hostile to christianity because of muslim leadership and say "how can you claim 40+ are not a fair accessment of a religion?"
I have stated numerous times and just want to state again, I do not think all muslims are evil, bad, or wrong. I am simply arguing that trying to compare christianity and islam using the "extremist" argument is not a good argument.
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10-05-2011, 08:18 AM #102
If I can throw this out there check out the wiki of the guy who murdered all of those kids in europe. He is a christian, hated muslims and was a tea party supporter. I'm just saying....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_BreivikDrug and smoke free trading.
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10-05-2011, 08:49 AM #103
Yeah, that's one guy. Nice try, but as ensberg said, you cannot compare radical muslims to radical christians because the numbers of the former dwarf the latter. Might as well compare radical muslims to radical atheists or radical wiccans. The radical muslims are organized, powerful, and great in number. The radical Christians are isolated individuals or family groups.
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10-05-2011, 09:17 AM #104
Do a google search for racial hate groups. Not only will you find that they hate blacks and other minorities but here's a shocker a lot of them hate jews and muslims as well as claiming to be christian organizations. Yes they are out there despite the fact that you claim that they are not.
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10-05-2011, 09:37 AM #105
Wrong again. Please read what the guy himself speaks, not what someone randomly puts on "wiki". You'll probably see a different picture. (well, you may not).
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10-05-2011, 09:45 AM #106
I actually know a bit about this group from my counterterrorism studies in college, and I'm not trying to downplay their threat, because I think they're a dangerous group.
However, I disagree with their general assessment of the world. Let me break my thoughts down:
1. I think their view on the weakness of the Western world is fundamentally flawed. I don't know about you, but I don't see any semblance of a dramatic shift towards pro-Muslim sentiment in the West. Within our culture here, radical Muslim life often doesn't fit, nor is it used as a crutch for our nation's poor and our disenchanted (many people who deeply ascribe to religions seem to go through a period of turmoil). On a macro-level, I just don't see the US and other Western nations going through any sort of massive religious/cultural shift at this time.
2. The Arab Spring and other various youth (predominately) movements seem to actually hold Western truths and ideals. What we're seeing in Egypt, Syria, Libya and the works is not a fundamentalist Islamic revolution. These are young Middle Easterners who are beginning to be influenced by the heightened level of connectivity of the modern world. They recognize the Western World through things like TV and the internet, it's not abstract anymore. They can now develop their own worldviews in a manner that they couldn't do 25 years ago. To those who live in tyranny, expression is a powerful thing, and that's what we saw, particularly in Egypt. The vast majority of these people aren't interested in the rise of Islamic fundamentalism and the demise of the Western World (It's a bit hypocritical to get on Facebook and proclaim your hatred of the West and it's technologies); but rather, their interest lies in how they can co-exist with us.
Number two gets back to my fundamental school of thought. The Arab Spring is far less religious in nature than it is economic. These people are revolting against corrupt religious leaders who they feel have bankrupted their countries and directly lead to their own poverty, not because they have religious grievances with them.
So I guess the point I'm trying to make with this verbose post is that I recognize the existence of these groups (Hizb u-Tahrir in particular), but I won't overstate their importance, nor do I think their message is based in reality.
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10-05-2011, 10:07 AM #107
I disagree here. The U.S. government and the democrats, progressives, communists, socialists, media (essentially, all of the leftists in this country) have bent over backwards to accommodate Muslims, while at the same time have done all they can to discriminate against Christians. It's funny, because those folks would be the first ones the Muslims would go after if they were in charge of this nation. However, at the present moment, they all share the common goal of fundamentally transforming the capitalist/Western nature of America.
The Arab Spring may have begun with Western ideals (i.e., freedom from oppression), but the end result will be even more oppression by Muslim-run governments. Egyptians are already feeling it, since they had to postpone their elections to prevent the Muslim Brotherhood from taking political control of the country.
I understand that you don't think they're a threat now, but they are gaining steam worldwide. Have you been paying attention to the Israeli situation? Each day draws nearer and nearer to war, with the goal of the Muslims being a one state solution. They are publicly admitting it as they grow stronger.
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10-05-2011, 10:17 AM #108
when you can't win an argument, compare one guy to 40 countries, cause that makes sense.
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10-05-2011, 10:20 AM #109
I get so tired of this "the left are trying to let the Muslims take over". It's a joke. I must have Obama confused with another President who is decapitating extremist Muslim groups with drones and Navy SEAL raids. And as a Democrat, I usually don't spend my days persecuting Christians. Typical Fox News-esque school of thought. When Christians are forced to drink from different water fountains, then we'll talk. Otherwise, you're just blowing smoke.
Your thoughts on the Arab Spring make a bit more sense to me. Any time you have a massive political upheaval in a country, it becomes susceptible to extremism. This movement is still in the newborn stage, and we don't truly have any idea how it's going to turn out.
Is this particular movement gaining steam? Maybe. It depends on where you look and how you look. There are moderate Muslim groups "gaining steam" too, they're just not sexy enough for the media to gobble up. But the "one state solution" is nothing new. Radical Muslim groups have called for this for not only decades, but centuries. This is just another one of these groups. I'm not fundamentally disagreeing with you here. These groups should NOT be ignored. Just because they have yet to pose a violent threat to the West or the U.S. doesn't mean they won't in the future. However, am I going to go into a Glenn Beck induced tinfoil hat way of thought on these people? No.
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10-05-2011, 10:28 AM #110
I am not saying that the left is "trying" to let the Muslims take over. They are merely unintentionally (most of them at least) making their ability to do so easier.
I know that you are young and naive (I was at your age too), but as you grow older, you will see the clear evidence of the left's disdain for the Christian religion, because they see its principles as a threat to their agenda. These are not talking points. This is what I see.
Like I was saying in another thread, the American Revolution is the only significant revolution in history where the people who started it were the ones who finished it. The most organized group always comes out on top of revolutions, and most of the time with very bad consequences.
I am not asking people to be tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists. They just need to be educated on the reality of the threat that exists. Most people are not.
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