Columbus Management = Gong Show

[bdiam]

Sure Columbus is a joke of a franchise but the same can be said about another dozen teams in the league as well.

Columbus has "one" solid asset that can prevent them from falling back into the dark ages - Rick Nash. If they don't get a "king's ransom" for him, then they might as well go out of business.

From day one, I thought this deal would never go down - smarter to wait until the summer when more teams could get involved.

Everyone also talks about how they were too greedy - says who?

At the end, the Rangers wouldn't part with Del Zotto or McDonaugh. What you don't hear, is that they also took Kreider off of the table and made Stepan untouchable. From what I've read, the Rangers offer was indeed huge, but a huge pile or marginal prospects. Good on Columbus not making that deal.

The Sharks wouldn't include Couture and were trying to pump-up the values of players like Clowe and Pavelski. They also were willing to include prospects but really, those prospects are marginal at best.

The Leafs, as per my post, were presented with an option but because the suddenly "sacred" Gardiner couldn't be included, they were a scratch.

In the summer, you may have Vancouver, Detroit, Boston, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and others, all take shots at Nash - he'd likely be willing to go to any of these teams.

Ownership may also not trust Howson (why would they) and simply didn't trust him to make this type of deal. Perhaps the new GM will be left the task?

As for Nash, yes, he's classy and has handled this well. Still, someone needs to let him know that this is a business, he's a piece of meat and since he's making $7-million+/yr, I don't have too much sympathy for him - they're are allot of people worse-off then he is.

By the summer, he'll be on a top-team and he can move-on with his career.

[Wickabee]

I'd be amazed if Vancouver got into Nash talks at any point.

[bdiam]

I'd be amazed if Vancouver got into Nash talks at any point.

It's Stanley Cup or bust for the Canucks this year. If not, you will see some changes for next year. Schneider will be gone one way or another, so if you could use him as the key piece in acquiring Nash, it would go along way.

[bojohnson]

Sure Columbus is a joke of a franchise but the same can be said about another dozen teams in the league as well.

Columbus has "one" solid asset that can prevent them from falling back into the dark ages - Rick Nash. If they don't get a "king's ransom" for him, then they might as well go out of business.

From day one, I thought this deal would never go down - smarter to wait until the summer when more teams could get involved.

Everyone also talks about how they were too greedy - says who?

At the end, the Rangers wouldn't part with Del Zotto or McDonaugh. What you don't hear, is that they also took Kreider off of the table and made Stepan untouchable. From what I've read, the Rangers offer was indeed huge, but a huge pile or marginal prospects. Good on Columbus not making that deal.

The Sharks wouldn't include Couture and were trying to pump-up the values of players like Clowe and Pavelski. They also were willing to include prospects but really, those prospects are marginal at best.

The Leafs, as per my post, were presented with an option but because the suddenly "sacred" Gardiner couldn't be included, they were a scratch.

In the summer, you may have Vancouver, Detroit, Boston, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and others, all take shots at Nash - he'd likely be willing to go to any of these teams.

Ownership may also not trust Howson (why would they) and simply didn't trust him to make this type of deal. Perhaps the new GM will be left the task?

As for Nash, yes, he's classy and has handled this well. Still, someone needs to let him know that this is a business, he's a piece of meat and since he's making $7-million+/yr, I don't have too much sympathy for him - they're are allot of people worse-off then he is.

By the summer, he'll be on a top-team and he can move-on with his career.

Exactly
He's making 8 million a year, who cares how good the team is or isn't, it's a business

I'd love to work and live in Cali, but my job isn't just going to give me a transfer there because I asked

[30ranfordfan]

Well TSN blamed Nash and said that that was also the sentiment coming from Columbus management.

Perhaps the Jackets don't hate Nash, and TSN is just stirring the pot. I could believe that.

But making it sound like it was all Nash's idea? I think it was a shared idea between Nash and the Team, once the team realizes that they cannot get the return they want, they called it Nash's idea, via TSN at least.

Nash is hardly a Heatley.

Somebody is telling Porkies.

I don't mean to sound like I think the two are equals. Far from it. Nash is a better player (and was at the time of Heatley's trade) and you never hear the stories of attitude problems like you do with Heatley.

If it was a mutual thing, or even the Jackets idea, then the two situations are nothing alike. That is not was Scott Howson said though - he claimed that Nash approached them, and asked for a trade.

The comparison I made to Heatley was specifically to the trade request. Like Heatley - Nash has a NTC.... so not only has he asked for a trade, but he's handcuffed his team into only trading him to a small list of teams.

I think no matter what happens, Nash doesn't owe the Blue Jackets organization a single thing, while the Jackets owe any amount of validity they may have solely and entirely to Nash. That man has given that organization everything with absolutely no help and zero complaints until now. He could have left a long time ago, gone to a team willing to put real players around him and been one of the absolute top players in the league. Instead he sacrificed his personal achievements in order to try and lead this team to success and he has had no help whatsoever. He's apparently supposed to do everything all by himself all on the ice. I don't blame him for a second for wanting out, and I don't blame him if he's been a bit of a jerk about it. The Blue Jackets don't seem to respect or care about Nash and he just seems to be sick of it.

Nash owes the Jackets 6 more years of hockey, while they continue to make him a very rich man. I don't blame him at all, but I certainly don't feel sorry for him either. This team was a joke before he signed that deal.... what indication was there that they wouldn't be one after he signed that deal?

I have no issues with Rick Nash asking to be traded, and I have no issues with him using his NTC clause to attempt to force a trade that he wants. Both of those are within his rights, but he also has to realize that the Jackets are absolutley in their rights to hold out (and not trade him) until they get an offer they think is fair.

Sure Columbus is a joke of a franchise but the same can be said about another dozen teams in the league as well.

Columbus has "one" solid asset that can prevent them from falling back into the dark ages - Rick Nash. If they don't get a "king's ransom" for him, then they might as well go out of business.

From day one, I thought this deal would never go down - smarter to wait until the summer when more teams could get involved.

Everyone also talks about how they were too greedy - says who?

At the end, the Rangers wouldn't part with Del Zotto or McDonaugh. What you don't hear, is that they also took Kreider off of the table and made Stepan untouchable. From what I've read, the Rangers offer was indeed huge, but a huge pile or marginal prospects. Good on Columbus not making that deal.

The Sharks wouldn't include Couture and were trying to pump-up the values of players like Clowe and Pavelski. They also were willing to include prospects but really, those prospects are marginal at best.

The Leafs, as per my post, were presented with an option but because the suddenly "sacred" Gardiner couldn't be included, they were a scratch.

In the summer, you may have Vancouver, Detroit, Boston, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and others, all take shots at Nash - he'd likely be willing to go to any of these teams.

Ownership may also not trust Howson (why would they) and simply didn't trust him to make this type of deal. Perhaps the new GM will be left the task?

As for Nash, yes, he's classy and has handled this well. Still, someone needs to let him know that this is a business, he's a piece of meat and since he's making $7-million+/yr, I don't have too much sympathy for him - they're are allot of people worse-off then he is.

By the summer, he'll be on a top-team and he can move-on with his career.

Few very good points in there. The "top prospects" that teams wouldn't part with - if those stories are true.... it sounds like they wanted Columbus to take their junk, and a draft pick. Can't blame them for turning that down, if that was the case.

I also think there may be something to the line I bolded :) Very real possibility that they were only putting feelers out there - Howson will be canned, and the new GM will then attempt to either convince him to stay, or deal him.

[lambeauleap87]

I, along with the city of Columbus and the entire Jackets fan base since the team drafted him, love Rick Nash. He is the team, and he is the city's hockey presence. Even moreso, he has shown nothing but love for the city.

In a mutual attempt to make everyone happy, the Jackets tried trading Nash and failed. Then Scotty Howson screwed everything up. You don't do that to your captain, leader, and face of your franchise. You just don't. Howson needs to go after all of his terrible moves. If Nash wants to go, he's earned it. Don't let a terrible GM screw it up.

As we've all seen, the management in Columbus has been horrible and gone downhill even greater after the death of John H. McConnell. I'm afraid, especially with an unhappy Nash, that the Jackets will soon leave Columbus for good...

[bdiam]

As we've all seen, the management in Columbus has been horrible and gone downhill even greater after the death of John H. McConnell. I'm afraid, especially with an unhappy Nash, that the Jackets will soon leave Columbus for good...

I wouldn't worry about that too much, at least not right now. Due to the stalwart leadership of Bettman, there are at least a half dozen teams that will be looking for new homes in the next 5-years and upon last check, not enough new homes to take them.

[bojohnson]

I wouldn't worry about that too much, at least not right now. Due to the stalwart leadership of Bettman, there are at least a half dozen teams that will be looking for new homes in the next 5-years and upon last check, not enough new homes to take them.

Phoenix Florida and nyi will move before Columbus even is considered

[lambeauleap87]

Phoenix Florida and nyi will move before Columbus even is considered

Not sure how truthful that is...I've already heard rumors in north-central Ohio. Fans aren't coming to games and the team is an absolute disgrace. There's been talk of it for a couple years.

[RiceBondsMntna2Rice]

The Sharks wouldn't include Couture and were trying to pump-up the values of players like Clowe and Pavelski.

The Sharks don't need to pump up the value of Pavelski. There's a question as to whether Pavelski was ever on the table, if they also wanted a D-man, prospects, and picks.

I agree with your larger point though...CBJ should hold out for a great deal. Problem is that Columbus may not have as much panic equity in the offseason when teams like the Sharks and Kings won't be as desperate to do something big ahead of the fast-approaching Playoffs.