Mass Immigration - Who Does it Help?

[tpeichel]

In his Notes on the State of Virginia (1787), Jefferson reflects:

• "It is for the happiness of those united in society to harmonize as much as possi- ble in matters which they must of necessity transact together. Civil government being the sole object of forming societies, its administration must be conducted by common consent.

• "Every species of government has its specific principles. Ours perhaps are more peculiar than those of any other in the universe. It is a composition of the freest principles of the English Constitution, with others derived from natural right and natural reason. To these nothing can be more opposed than the maxims of abso- lute monarchies. Yet from such we are to expect the greatest number of emi- grants." (3)

Jefferson warns, nearly prophetically:

• "They will bring with them the principles of the governments they leave, imbibed in their early youth; or, if able to throw them off, it will be in exchange for an un- bounded licentiousness, passing, as is usual, from one extreme to another. It would be a miracle were they to stop precisely at the point of temperate liberty. These principles, with their language, they will transmit to their children. In pro- portion to their numbers, they will share with us the legislation. They will infuse into it their spirit, warp and bias its directions, and render it a heterogeneous, in- coherent, distracted mass." (4)

[tpeichel]

We let the Boston Bombers into the country and hosted those that perpetrated the 9-11 attack, how about we offer citizenship to some of those Syrian Rebels that our government is supporting? Oh, they just sawed off the head of a Catholic priest you say? That's just a part of their cultural tradition. Multiculturalism is all good.

[mrveggieman]

We let the Boston Bombers into the country and hosted those that perpetrated the 9-11 attack, how about we offer citizenship to some of those Syrian Rebels that our government is supporting? Oh, they just sawed off the head of a Catholic priest you say? That's just a part of their cultural tradition. Multiculturalism is all good.

So what do you suggest? Some good ole ethnic cleansing?

[tpeichel]

The current system was not able to identify known extremists that ended up blowing up alot of people in Boston. I would halt all immigration immediately and reevaluate the system from top to bottom.

[tpeichel]

Conservatives know very well what's going on.

To their credit (and I HATE to give them ANY credit) they understand that Hispanics are NOT conservatives and will NOT vote for the GOP.

Meaning that the immigration bill only cements more votes for future democrats and makes it even harder for the GOP to ever win again at the national level.

And to that I say......GOOD!

I can't wait for the day that GOP is long gone and forgotten.


Anyways, this is still the biggest reason why they are so against this....everything else they say is nonsense excuses.

in case you haven't noticed, your beloved Democratic party is quite authoritarian. Now you want to import 47 million voters who have traditonally supported authoritarian style governments so the Democrats can be a permanent majority?

Do you think the Democrats will become more or less authoritarian once their power becomes permanent?

What is more important to you, the success of the Democratic Party or individual liberty and freedom?

[Wickabee]

An authoritarian? Oh we do get dramatic don't we.

[Star_Cards]

Who gets helped the most?

1) Democratic Party
2) Corporations

Who gets hurt the most?

1) Taxpayers
2) Low skilled/low income workers

The bigger problem is that mass immigration leads to self segregation rather than integration. You can already see it in the black and latino communities that have completely separate cultures. While there is no problem embracing your heritage, nations without a common and shared interest are doomed to conflict and eventual violence. In my lifetime, the country has never seemed more divided than right now and it's not just along political lines. I believe this Immigration Bill will make the current problems much worse and accelerate the looming conflict. I can't think of any examples where importing the third world on a mass scale to western civilizations has turned out positively. Can anyone else?

I don't think a countries that has different cultures is doomed. Just because there are different cultures doesn't mean there are shared interests as America's in general. The United States was more of less formed on many varying cultures. We are more of less a melting pot based off of the many different races and religions or people that are citizens. The political divide does seem rather strong, but it was pretty strong in decades passed and further as well. The current divide doesn't have a lot to do with cultures.

I don't think mass immigration hurts tax payers at all. I think it helps. Get undocumented workers documented and paying into the tax system. At the moment, anyone being paid under the table isn't paying taxes while using the services that taxes provide.

[Star_Cards]

Not to veer off topic but illegal immigration wouldn't sting as much if there was a fair tax. That way we could still collect tax revenue off of them just like we could with legals.

exactly. a fair tax means anyone making money under the table (undocumented workers, criminals, gamblers, guys on ebay selling cards, and so on) pay their taxes when they purchase goods that are new.

[tpeichel]

I'd say a government that has been secretly collecting credit card transactions, phone records, and internet communications of U.S. citizens is pretty damn authoritarian.

How about the police license plate scanners that automatically scan your license plate and records the time and location of your vehicle?

How about a government that claims the power to assassinate its citizens without due process?

How about a government that claims the power to force you to buy a service or face jail time or a fine?

If that is not authoritarian, how would you describe it? Sure we still have freedoms, but if you can't see the direction we are headed, then you are blind.

[mrveggieman]

I'd say a government that has been secretly collecting credit card transactions, phone records, and internet communications of U.S. citizens is pretty damn authoritarian.

How about the police license plate scanners that automatically scan your license plate and records the time and location of your vehicle?

How about a government that claims the power to assassinate its citizens without due process?

How about a government that claims the power to force you to buy a service or face jail time or a fine?

If that is not authoritarian, how would you describe it? Sure we still have freedoms, but if you can't see the direction we are headed, then you are blind.

You really are a fanboy if you think that things would have been any better under a republican president.