Polarization in the US?

[sanfran22]

Here's a view from the scientific perspective...

First off, "Global Warming" is an extremely misleading title for what our world is going through right now. A more proper term is "Climate Change".

We are going through something the Earth has never seen before, a change dramatic enough to not follow any previously recorded scale, regardless of claims made by people who believe this is Earth's natural cycle that this is simply part of a cycle, like previous data has suggested. I'd like to start this by providing truth to the polar ice claim. The polar ice is melting at an alarming rate. Data that someone suggested in this thread was taken during the polar winter, and was funded by a special-interest group. Polar ice does indeed grow larger in the winter, but the problem we're experiencing is that the polar ice is melting at a very much increased rate during polar summers.

I will not debate whether humans are to blame. Do I think we are part of it? From a professional opinion, I can tell you that I absolutely think we are a large part of it. Like I previously stated, this warm up in polar waters is unlike anything we've seen before.

There was also a claim that some places are getting colder. This is indeed true. This is also the reason why calling this "Global Warming" is extremely misleading. The truth is, climate change will make some places warmer, and some places colder. The Earth doesn't warm and cool the same way...That goes against everything we know about climates.

I can elaborate more if needed, but I just wanted to address some of the claims that I think are false.

So we've had relatively the same temps the last 15-20 years, but our co2 has gone up around 10%. How does that work? The ice is bigger this polar winter then it has ever been? As I stated before, I don't believe there is anything we can do even if it were true. There are a ton of misleading data and assumptions and it changes daily.

[Wickabee]

So we've had relatively the same temps the last 15-20 years, but our co2 has gone up around 10%. How does that work? The ice is bigger this polar winter then it has ever been? As I stated before, I don't believe there is anything we can do even if it were true. There are a ton of misleading data and assumptions and it changes daily.

This is what happens when you mix a lack of comprehension with a need for instant gratification.

Just wow. There is nothing about that post that says you even tried to understand what he said. You're deliberately misunderstanding because of your politics. That's terrible.

[Good Ole Jim]

So we've had relatively the same temps the last 15-20 years, but our co2 has gone up around 10%. How does that work? The ice is bigger this polar winter then it has ever been? As I stated before, I don't believe there is anything we can do even if it were true. There are a ton of misleading data and assumptions and it changes daily.

Yes, our average temperatures have stayed that way, but climate change does not simply raise or lower the temp. It makes weather unpredictable. We're seeing it this year alone.

The ice is bigger this year, this is true, but this is not unexpected. Temperatures are extreme in summer, and extreme in winter. The North is just getting out of a brutally cold winter.

[centrehice]

So we've had relatively the same temps the last 15-20 years, but our co2 has gone up around 10%. How does that work? The ice is bigger this polar winter then it has ever been? As I stated before, I don't believe there is anything we can do even if it were true. There are a ton of misleading data and assumptions and it changes daily.

Where are you pulling this from?

[Wickabee]

Which is the whole Global warming stance from the left. Again, I say who cares. You couldn't do anything about it even if it was how they portrayed. I don't need to be "enlightened" from anyone on this board.

Again. The problem is people focusing on politics. Again, you are focusing on politics. You are so insistent on "left" and "right" you don't even care what the actual issue is.

I'm not trying to enlighten you, I'm just calling you out for what you're doing. You couldn't be enlightened anyway. You still think I'm arguing politics. When you don't even know what conversation you're in, you show exactly why you're there. Please, discuss all you want. Campaign somewhere else.

[habsheaven]

So we've had relatively the same temps the last 15-20 years, but our co2 has gone up around 10%. How does that work? The ice is bigger this polar winter then it has ever been? As I stated before, I don't believe there is anything we can do even if it were true. There are a ton of misleading data and assumptions and it changes daily.

Completely false, and I already pointed that out to you. Do you read the links you post?

[JustAlex]

Here's a view from the scientific perspective...

First off, "Global Warming" is an extremely misleading title for what our world is going through right now. A more proper term is "Climate Change".

We are going through something the Earth has never seen before, a change dramatic enough to not follow any previously recorded scale, regardless of claims made by people who believe this is Earth's natural cycle that this is simply part of a cycle, like previous data has suggested. I'd like to start this by providing truth to the polar ice claim. The polar ice is melting at an alarming rate. Data that someone suggested in this thread was taken during the polar winter, and was funded by a special-interest group. Polar ice does indeed grow larger in the winter, but the problem we're experiencing is that the polar ice is melting at a very much increased rate during polar summers.

I will not debate whether humans are to blame. Do I think we are part of it? From a professional opinion, I can tell you that I absolutely think we are a large part of it. Like I previously stated, this warm up in polar waters is unlike anything we've seen before.

There was also a claim that some places are getting colder. This is indeed true. This is also the reason why calling this "Global Warming" is extremely misleading. The truth is, climate change will make some places warmer, and some places colder. The Earth doesn't warm and cool the same way...That goes against everything we know about climates.

I can elaborate more if needed, but I just wanted to address some of the claims that I think are false.

I fully agree that we need to stop calling it "Global Warming" as well, climate change is more accurate.

And I'm glad we do have someone on this forum who does work in this area and we can get some input from that....so thanks.

[shrewsbury]

Jim, I respect your response, but here are a few issues.

one, it is your opinion and other just as qualified people have different ones.
in the 70's the main stream scientists said we were going into the next ice age, science was wrong. we have heard everything from we would all be dead by 2014 to the world would be flooded. an educated guess is still just a guess.
we have how many years of records to compare to? not enough to determine anything.
the fact is we have had multiple ice ages and multiple warming periods. the polar ice caps use to extend into america, they melted away do to warming.

[Wickabee]

I fully agree that we need to stop calling it "Global Warming" as well, climate change is more accurate.

And I'm glad we do have someone on this forum who does work in this area and we can get some input from that....so thanks.

Wait. He'll disagree with you on something and then run away scared again. It'll happen.

[Good Ole Jim]

Jim, I respect your response, but here are a few issues.

one, it is your opinion and other just as qualified people have different ones.
in the 70's the main stream scientists said we were going into the next ice age, science was wrong. we have heard everything from we would all be dead by 2014 to the world would be flooded. an educated guess is still just a guess.
we have how many years of records to compare to? not enough to determine anything.
the fact is we have had multiple ice ages and multiple warming periods. the polar ice caps use to extend into america, they melted away do to warming.

Thanks for the response, Shrew. You are correct in saying that there are scientists with different opinions. I'd like to address your issues though. My opinion comes off of years of colleague research, who are the best scientists in the world when it comes to glaciation and climate migration/change, you may be surprised as to how sure the overall science community is about this.

The next thing I'd like to stress to everyone in general is that you should never listen to the internet on any scientific issue unless it's a government affiliated site. I have to stress that news networks, websites, and opinion websites who claim they have scientific data are usually pretty wrong. The problem comes when they all try to find the juiciest headline they can put on an article or news story, and science just doesn't work that way. We find things out little bits at a time, which contradicts the press philosophy of "Breaking News".

In the 70's, we didn't have the technology we do now. We're able to exam minerals like Zircon, minerals that tell us a story, in ways we never could have imagined. I'm also curious as to where you heard this 2014 death stuff, as it's kind of amusing to me.

I think you also may be surprised as to how many records we actually can compare our findings to. I went on an expedition wayyyyyy up north to core sample glaciers. Our goal was to study previous ice ages, and the core of glaciers hold those secrets. We can tell how fast they froze, what the climate was like based on how the ice crystallized, and how fast it grew and receded through the years. Really, our science is completely wonderful in ways no one knows, because the world is too concerned with their own well-being and special interest to observe it for themselves. It really frustrates scientists when we're taken out of context and have our words stretched like a rubber band.

I thank you for your response, Shrew. You and everyone else will come to find that I debate with complete respect, as debates should be done, and will never attack an opinion, more so provide my own experiences and findings in the area as a scientific viewpoint.