US Patent Office Rules Redskins Name Is Offensive, Cancels Trademarks

[ajcorleone]

Thought this was interesting


Team owner Joe Gibds talks to the media during a news conference at the NASC...


SPARTA, Ky. (AP) — Count former Washington Redskins coach Joe Gibbs among those who has no problem with the team's name.
The NFL team that Gibbs led to three Super Bowl titles in the first of two stints as coach has been heavily criticized for its nickname that's viewed as derogatory toward Native Americans. A group of U.S. senators and President Barack Obama have suggested it should be changed, which team owner Daniel Snyder vehemently refuses.
Asked about the controversy before the NASCAR race Saturday at Kentucky Speedway, the Hall of Fame coach and racing team owner defended the Redskins name.
''Never once did I hear anybody ever say anything negative about the name Redskins,'' Gibbs said about his time with the team. ''It was always prideful, it was courage involved. We have a song, `Hail to the Redskins,'' and so everything, everything, about that name has been positive for me and my past.''
Growing up in North Carolina, Gibbs said the Redskins were the only NFL team on TV and that he ''pulled for them my whole life'' and said he never dreamed of coaching them from 1981-92 and again from 2004-07.
Washington won Super Bowls in the 1982, 1987 and 1991 seasons. Gibbs also became a NASCAR team owner during that period and has gone on to win three Sprint Cup titles as well as the 1993 Daytona 500.

[Wickabee]

You find it interesting that a former coach of the team who now has more to do with NASCAR than football supports the owner of the team he used to coach and for which he's hailed a hero?

Why is that interesting? They guy owns a NASCAR team, so his opinion means as much as mine or yours; zilch.

He's a former coach who the team and fans love. You expect him to do anything but support the owner?

If a team was named the "Coons" and had a logo of a black guy, this wouldn't he an issue, and no one would he against banning it. You guys really hate natives down there.

[ajcorleone]

Because I found it interesting.That's why.

You find it interesting that a former coach of the team who now has more to do with NASCAR than football supports the owner of the team he used to coach and for which he's hailed a hero?

Why is that interesting? They guy owns a NASCAR team, so his opinion means as much as mine or yours; zilch.

He's a former coach who the team and fans love. You expect him to do anything but support the owner?

If a team was named the "Coons" and had a logo of a black guy, this wouldn't he an issue, and no one would he against banning it. You guys really hate natives down there.

[Wickabee]

You found it interesting because you found it interesting.

When you're hungry, is it because your body craves nourishment, or because your hungry.

When you don't answer a question is it because you can't, or because you don't.

[shrewsbury]

I found this interesting

history books say the term came about in reference to the Beothuk tribe of what is now Newfoundland, Canada. The Beothuk were said to paint their bodies with red ochre, leading white settlers to refer to them as "red men."

According to Smithsonian historian Ives Goddard, early historical records indicate that "Redskin" was used as a self-identifier by Native Americans to differentiate between the two races. Goddard found that the first use of the word "redskin" came in 1769, in negotiations between the Piankashaws and Col. John Wilkins. Throughout the 1800s, the word was frequently used by Native Americans as they negotiated with the French and later the Americans. The phrase gained widespread usage among whites when James Fenimore Cooper used it in his 1823 novel The Pioneers. In the book, Cooper has a dying Indian character lament, "There will soon be no red-skin in the country."

Boston Braves owner George Preston Marshall decided in 1933 to change the franchise's name from the Braves (another name with a racial history) to the Redskins. Team lore says the franchise adopted the name in honor of former coach William "Lone Star" Dietz, who identified as Native American. Dietz brought several Native American players he had coached at the Haskell Indian School with him to the team. Marshall also sought to strongly tie the team to Native American imagery, occasionally requiring Dietz to wear a Sioux headdress on the sidelines and telling players to wear war paint while on the field.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/...ory-of-redskin

[ajcorleone]

Only because YOU say so.Not everything needs an answer.Well you do but not everybody else.I read it found it interesting what the thoughts of the former Redskins coach was.That's it and pardon me I held you ata higher intelligence level I thought you would figure it out.

You found it interesting because you found it interesting.

When you're hungry, is it because your body craves nourishment, or because your hungry.

When you don't answer a question is it because you can't, or because you don't.

[Wickabee]

Only because YOU say so.Not everything needs an answer.Well you do but not everybody else.I read it found it interesting what the thoughts of the former Redskins coach was.That's it and pardon me I held you ata higher intelligence level I thought you would figure it out.

That makes no sense. For what reason do you think it's interesting? I didn't say you found it interesting, so because I say so makes no sense as an answer. I already showed how something isn't interesting because it's interesting.

Maybe it's interesting because, despite it's extreme irrelevance, it agrees with you. I think that's why, but if there's another reason, by all means enlighten me.

That's what, 3 or 4 times I've had to ask you the same question. You're running.

[ajcorleone]

And you can ask it 30 more times.Just because you don't like the answer or lack there of means nothing. I don't have to explain it and it is allowed on the thread,I did not violate anything move on sweetheart.

That makes no sense. For what reason do you think it's interesting? I didn't say you found it interesting, so because I say so makes no sense as an answer. I already showed how something isn't interesting because it's interesting.

Maybe it's interesting because, despite it's extreme irrelevance, it agrees with you. I think that's why, but if there's another reason, by all means enlighten me.

That's what, 3 or 4 times I've had to ask you the same question. You're running.

[Wickabee]

You haven't given an answer. I asked why you found it interesting, not why you posted it. I believe you posted it because you found it interesting. I asked why you found it interesting. "As because I found it interesting" is literally telling me you found it interesting for no reason. Even an "I don't know" would have been acceptable, but it's too late to backtrack now.

If there's no reason you found it interesting, how interesting can it be? Common logic dictates it's not interesting at all if the person who finds it interesting doesn't have a reason, but obviously knows why he finds it interesting (if he didn't know, he'd have said so, right?)

What Jay found is interesting. What Jay posted is relevant. What you posted is some random dude agreeing with you. That's not interesting to me without some real world connection. A NASCAR owner is not relevant. A former coach is not relevant. Is there something I'm missing here? You're telling me it's interesting for no reason. Your words.

Unless you're saying it's interesting because you say it's interesting. Funny how your first reaction was to tell me it's so because I say so. Why was that your first reaction? Projection maybe.

Jay: Very interesting, but would the San Jose Negroes fly because they wear black shirts (like the New Zealand All Blacks) and SJ has a high Latino population? Probably not. It's not about where the name comes from, it's about what the word means, and regardless of all that, it IS a derogatory term for Native North Americans.

[ajcorleone]

Good for Jay and I liked his commentary. How about this you got your answer.Sorry you did not like it or it did not make sense but too bad.

You haven't given an answer. I asked why you found it interesting, not why you posted it. I believe you posted it because you found it interesting. I asked why you found it interesting. "As because I found it interesting" is literally telling me you found it interesting for no reason. Even an "I don't know" would have been acceptable, but it's too late to backtrack now.

If there's no reason you found it interesting, how interesting can it be? Common logic dictates it's not interesting at all if the person who finds it interesting doesn't have a reason, but obviously knows why he finds it interesting (if he didn't know, he'd have said so, right?)

What Jay found is interesting. What Jay posted is relevant. What you posted is some random dude agreeing with you. That's not interesting to me without some real world connection. A NASCAR owner is not relevant. A former coach is not relevant. Is there something I'm missing here? You're telling me it's interesting for no reason. Your words.

Unless you're saying it's interesting because you say it's interesting. Funny how your first reaction was to tell me it's so because I say so. Why was that your first reaction? Projection maybe.

Jay: Very interesting, but would the San Jose Negroes fly because they wear black shirts (like the New Zealand All Blacks) and SJ has a high Latino population? Probably not. It's not about where the name comes from, it's about what the word means, and regardless of all that, it IS a derogatory term for Native North Americans.