Hobby Lobby Wins!

[Star_Cards]

So why can the gov't decide what you have to offer? What gives them the right to not only demand that you offer a product, but it has to be whatever product some bureaucrat deems worthy. Is birth control a medically necessary procedure like a blood transfusion? Can you choose to have a blood transfusion like you can with birth control? It's no where near the same issue. It's like covering botox, or elective plastic surgery. It's not a war on women. They are free to purchase whatever they want. HL just does not want to pay for it.

Like I said, I don't think the government should make companies offer any insurance. That should be up to the company. But if it is a regulation then a company shouldn't be able to claim religious beliefs to get around following the regulations. In a country where religious belief is free to be whatever belief one chooses, the options to claim a religious belief are endless. Debating the validity of corporations being forced to offer healthcare is not the issue. That's a completely different discussion.

I've read some things where birth control is needed by some where it is necessary. I'm not a doctor so I can't specifically speak to that. My concern on the issue isn't about birth control or any specific procedure. It's about the right of a company to opt out of a regulation based on religious belief. To me that's not a valid reason to get out of following a law.

No one is comparing birth control with blood transfusions. It's being brought up as an example of another medical procedure that is against the beliefs of another religion and now they can opt out of it as a required part of their health care plan based off of the ruling. I'm saying that based on this ruling a corporation could say it's against their religious belief to provide anything to their workers and get out of following the rule based off of this countries freedom to religiously believe anything you want whether it's from a mainstream religion or not.

I agree it's not a war on women at all. It's way deeper than that. No one should be able to get out of following laws simply by saying it's against their religious belief.

[Wickabee]

This should actually open the door for religion to be a legitimate draft dodge.

I'm sure conservative Christians would be okay with that.

[shrewsbury]

Fair enough... and Hobby Lobby and these other companies that are getting around the law because of their religious views are going to start that stipend right away right? right? Will it be a cash bonus? a gift card? Let's hear some specifics about how this employer is going make up for the fact they aren't going to cover a medically accepted procedure that 100% of other insurance covers...

one, it should not be a medically accepted procedure, there are other ways. tow, this is not about a medical condition but rather an activity with known possible results, it is a choice, unlike MS, ALS, and such.

and finally, choices;
How about you ask for an extra quarter or 50 cents an hour?
how about you use another form of contraceptive?
how about look for a job that offers this form?

or you get a job somewhere

[sanfran22]

This should actually open the door for religion to be a legitimate draft dodge.

I'm sure conservative Christians would be okay with that.

Well, there is no draft and ever heard of a pacifist or conscientious objector?

[Wickabee]

one, it should not be a medically accepted procedure, there are other ways. tow, this is not about a medical condition but rather an activity with known possible results, it is a choice, unlike MS, ALS, and such.

and finally, choices;
How about you ask for an extra quarter or 50 cents an hour?
how about you use another form of contraceptive?
how about look for a job that offers this form?

or you get a job somewhere

1: Asking equals getting, right?
2: Why should your job dictate your medicine?
3: Yeah. Jobs are everywhere and everyone is trained for all of them.

Seriously, do you think before you type these things?

[deansayso]

They still cover contraceptives, just not the plan b type pills.

[GroundSupport]

They still cover contraceptives, just not the plan b type pills.

Winner!

lol thats whats so hypocritical about these Liberals. They still offer all sorts of contraceptives, just not the ones deemed abortion to some.

So technically, Hobby Lobby isn't in your bed room.

[Wickabee]

Winner!

lol thats whats so hypocritical about these Liberals. They still offer all sorts of contraceptives, just not the ones deemed abortion to some.

So technically, Hobby Lobby isn't in your bed room.

No, they're just blocking you at the pharmacy and making medical decisions for their employees. Nothing wrong with that. If I give you a minimum wage job, will you let me dictate you medication?

You know what's hypocritical about conservatives? You don't want the government making these decisions for you because it would be tyrannical. A business on the other hand isn't, despite the fact people depend on their jobs to live and with the state of the economy, are basically at the whim of the employer in most cases. They ARE deciding that any of their employees who can't afford this medication can't have this medication. They are making medical decisions for employees, and you're okay with it.

[Wickabee]

one, it should not be a medically accepted procedure, there are other ways.

You know, you can cure an infection by cutting off the infected portion of the body. Therefore, antibiotics should not be an accepted medical practice, as there are other ways. Besides, you could have chosen not to engage in the activity that got you infected, but you chose to do it anyway, knowing infection was a possibility.

Why should other people pay for your choices? Some religions are against medication altogether. Can a business owner of said religious belief opt out completely? If you get infected, don't go to a doctor and cost other people money, get a saw and cut it off yourself. It's called consequence and too many people don't want to face it.

[mrveggieman]

You know we wouldn't have this or many other of society's ills if conservative christanity was outlawed.