Hobby Lobby Wins!

[sanfran22]

I actually completely agree as far as healthcare goes. I don't think the government should be able to tell companies that they have to provide or subsidize health insurance for employees. Yes this decision happens to be about a small piece of the healthcare law, but it goes way deeper than health care as I've been saying. Anyone that can't see that is not thinking outside the box and is getting hung up on using it to bash or support obamacare or support or bash women's health rights, etc, in my opinion. Most people I see discussing this want focus on HL as a company or women's reproductive rights, or obamacare. It just encompasses so much more than that and opens up the loophole of companies to get around regulations simply by claiming religious beliefs.

This isn't about if corporations being forced to provide healthcare by the government. If it was then HL or any other corporation would be fighting the whole thing instead of birth control. It's about a corporation claiming it has a religious belief that can be used to get out of regulations that are on the books. The debate about company forced healthcare by the government is a whole different debate.

So why can the gov't decide what you have to offer? What gives them the right to not only demand that you offer a product, but it has to be whatever product some bureaucrat deems worthy. Is birth control a medically necessary procedure like a blood transfusion? Can you choose to have a blood transfusion like you can with birth control? It's no where near the same issue. It's like covering botox, or elective plastic surgery. It's not a war on women. They are free to purchase whatever they want. HL just does not want to pay for it.

[sanfran22]

It is a poor business decision on the company party. Why should the employee have to buy it's own birth control? If the company would shell out a little up front it would prevent unwanted pregnancies, lost productivity and reduce cost for the employee as well as the company. It really makes no sense. Hobby lobby wants to cut off it's nose to spite its face. Again I understand not being for abortion. But refusing to pay for bc is just plain spiteful and when an unwanted pregnancy occurs everyone loses.

But it should be the companies decision, period. Are no forms of birth control covered?

[mrveggieman]

So why can the gov't decide what you have to offer? What gives them the right to not only demand that you offer a product, but it has to be whatever product some bureaucrat deems worthy. Is birth control a medically necessary procedure like a blood transfusion? Can you choose to have a blood transfusion like you can with birth control? It's no where near the same issue. It's like covering botox, or elective plastic surgery. It's not a war on women. They are free to purchase whatever they want. HL just does not want to pay for it.

So what's the difference between giving hobby lobby a pass and if someone works for a company owned by vegans and needs heart transplant surgery due to clogged auterys from high cholestorol and the company refuses to pay for it because the worker shouldn't have been eating meat?

[sanfran22]

What if a Hobby Lobby employee has an allergic reaction to shellfish? Will they pay for his treatment?

Leviticus 11:9-12.

And if Hobby Lobby is so against abortion and certain types of birth control, then why does their employee 401K invest in companies who produce contraceptive and abortifacient drugs?

Obviously you've missed the last 6 months discussion on these topics...

[shrewsbury]

The money your company pays to your insurance provider is part of YOUR compensation, just like your salary. Imagine if your company said "Here's your salary, but you can't use it for alcohol, tobacco, meat, or anything else we don't like. It's my religious law."

actually those our company benefits, not all companies offer them and not all are the same and till recently they were not even required. That would be part of negotiating your salary and benefits. If you can't provide the things I want based on your religion, then fine, how about a monthly bonus that would equal the cost of me having to purchase them myself.

and for the record, it is not about ignoring the OT, but rather knowing it is based on a convenant that no longer exists, it is history, not the present.

But I am sure you religious scholars know this.

two completely different things, but yet some how people seem to think this makes sense.

and it is not about religious laws, but religious freedom, which we can thank the ever great Bill Clinton for, a hero of the left.

[sanfran22]

The money your company pays to your insurance provider is part of YOUR compensation, just like your salary. Imagine if your company said "Here's your salary, but you can't use it for alcohol, tobacco, meat, or anything else we don't like. It's my religious law."

That's not remotely close. All health plans are different. Why are these ones forced to cover any particular things. I'm sure HL employees can go shop for another plan separate from the company.

[sanfran22]

Everyone

THIS is a good post that makes sense and understands the issue.



These used to be everywhere, but are far too rare these days.

Then they should be able to create a medical plan that they want to offer period. Not all companies had to offer insurance. Still don't if your an Obama buddie. It's a benefit, not salary.

[sanfran22]

So what's the difference between giving hobby lobby a pass and if someone works for a company owned by vegans and needs heart transplant surgery due to clogged auterys from high cholestorol and the company refuses to pay for it because the worker shouldn't have been eating meat?

You don't see the difference between birth control and heart transplant?

[mrveggieman]

You don't see the difference between birth control and heart transplant?

Both are medical procedures. Both can be used despite the religious objections of some. Why should conservative christanity get preferential treatment despite the law saying otherwise?

[maccards44]

If you can't provide the things I want based on your religion, then fine, how about a monthly bonus that would equal the cost of me having to purchase them myself.

Fair enough... and Hobby Lobby and these other companies that are getting around the law because of their religious views are going to start that stipend right away right? right? Will it be a cash bonus? a gift card? Let's hear some specifics about how this employer is going make up for the fact they aren't going to cover a medically accepted procedure that 100% of other insurance covers...