The Official JAMEIS WINSTON Thread

[rocketman818]

I must say this Jameis Winston stuff is a little tired. Can we all just admit that just because he does all this charity work that doesn't necessarily make him a good person. Do I think he groped this Uber driver? Absolutely!!! And for those people saying he wasn't sitting in the front seat, There were TWO uber rides that night. He is being accused of the groping incident in the uber ride where he was alone. Sorry but with all the incidents he has had going back to college to sit there and honestly say he has done nothing wrong ever is laughable. You want to say there are Jameis haters out there and of course there are. Nobody has the support of everybody. There are haters of everyone. Of course on the flip side there are people who defend blindly and I am sorry to say you fall in that category.

[Rybowski]

I really don't care what he did with the Uber driver as he has to be stupid to even think about doing something like that. Drunk or not, no place for crap like that. With that being said, his friend really threw him under the bus in this situation. Everyone needs to learn that friends come and go, and I am sure Jameis has no desire to talk to that guy again. The Bucs have no reason to get rid of him this year as he is on the books for a few million bucks. His option if he doesn't get injured is $20.9 million for the 2019 season. If he gets hurt, he is guaranteed that money, but if he has a solid season, the Bucs can either re-do a deal with him, cut him, or sign and trade him if there is a team out there willing to take him on.

[Jameis1of1]

Post below … it was a double post, so I deleted this one :-)

[Jameis1of1]

I must say this Jameis Winston stuff is a little tired. Can we all just admit that just because he does all this charity work that doesn't necessarily make him a good person. Do I think he groped this Uber driver? Absolutely!!! And for those people saying he wasn't sitting in the front seat, There were TWO uber rides that night. He is being accused of the groping incident in the uber ride where he was alone. Sorry but with all the incidents he has had going back to college to sit there and honestly say he has done nothing wrong ever is laughable. You want to say there are Jameis haters out there and of course there are. Nobody has the support of everybody. There are haters of everyone. Of course on the flip side there are people who defend blindly and I am sorry to say you fall in that category.

I agree that charity work doesn't make someone a "good person", but as Christian I also don't believe anyone is "good" without God. Regardless, I would say that just as charity work doesn't automatically make someone a "good person", neither does someone being "accused" of something, make that person a "bad person".

You believe he groped the Uber driver, yet no evidence has come out to support that … it's just an opinion. I would also remind you that the Uber driver changed her story three times and the first two versions of her story didn't involve groping at all … it wasn't until the third version where she said the front seat passenger (who she couldn't identify as Jameis originally) grabbed her crotch … the first version was that this person brushed his fingers across the top of her pants and the second version was that this person rested his hand on top of her pants for a few seconds … in all three versions though the person immediately removed his hand as soon as the driver said "what's up with that" and had no further incident the rest of the ride. Those are the facts, take them how you will.

You also state that there were two Uber rides and apparently believe Jameis was in the front seat for the 2nd ride … however you are basing your belief on the recent statement of a convicted rapist who is currently attempting to appeal his conviction and who has every reason to lie. I'm not saying he's lying but he certainly has a reason to do so. Also, I don't believe that he even said Jameis was in the front seat for the 2nd ride, only that Jameis was alone for the 2nd ride, and the NFL itself revealed prior to that convict's statement, that there were "multiple legs of the Uber trip" but not that there were two entirely separate trips, so I tend to believe the NFL who would have tracked Jameis' and Darby's and the drivers cell phones to now how the trip progressed. I believe the NFL also confirmed that Jameis was in the back seat only … at least that's what one of the Bucs websites reported and if that's the case, the accusation is a baseless one.

Also, I do not "blindly" defend Jameis whatsoever. I would never say he didn't shout the internet meme or that he didn't fornicate before marriage, etc., but I would defend him and ANY OTHER PLAYER that gets suspended by the NFL and crucified by the media over a mere unsubstantiated allegation. I believe in the innocent until proven guilty concept, period.

Finally … you can say what you want, but it is a 100% FACT that Jameis Winston has never been arrested or charged, let alone convicted, of anything, at anytime, in his entire life. That's an undisputable fact, even if the media and many individuals don't like to admit that.

I really don't care what he did with the Uber driver as he has to be stupid to even think about doing something like that. Drunk or not, no place for crap like that. With that being said, his friend really threw him under the bus in this situation. Everyone needs to learn that friends come and go, and I am sure Jameis has no desire to talk to that guy again. The Bucs have no reason to get rid of him this year as he is on the books for a few million bucks. His option if he doesn't get injured is $20.9 million for the 2019 season. If he gets hurt, he is guaranteed that money, but if he has a solid season, the Bucs can either re-do a deal with him, cut him, or sign and trade him if there is a team out there willing to take him on.

I'm glad you brought up this "friend" as it illustrates my point about media bias perfectly. One of the ESPN writers that called Banks Jameis friend was lying and therefore damaging Jameis for no reason. I pointed this out on Twitter and the reporter got upset but then I was backed up by multiple other reporters who knew I was right … the thing was Brandon Banks was ONLY a friend of Ronald Darby, not Jameis. Jameis and Darby have been friends for years but Darby brought his own buddy Banks along for the night and of course we know now that Banks is a convicted rapist. There has been nothing said to-date that would even imply Jameis knew who Darby was, let alone that he was accused of rape at the time of the event … the media referring to him as "a friend of Jameis" is a shameful false narrative and being used to hit Jameis with the good old "guilt by association" nonsense.

As for Jameis' future … I'm not worried about it. The ONLY way I see Jameis being off the Bucs before 2020 is if the GM is fired and a new GM comes in that wants his own guy at QB as many new GMs do … other than that, I think Jameis plays this year, next year under the 5th year option $20.9mil contract, and then signs a massive extension in 2020 … he's simply the best QB the Bucs organization has ever had and the most statistically accomplished QB of his age that has ever lived … I just can't see the Bucs cutting ties, but if they do, that's fine as he should have his choice of 8-9 teams to sign with, every single one of which, other than the Bengals, is a better a better organization than Tampa is!

About damn time...locker room cancer on field knucklehead who doesn’t win and off field tool and waste of a paycheck

Hahaha, you're such a Jameis-hater … it cracks me up.

There are a bunch of fans calling for the writer of that article to be fired from his job … in fact, his anti-Jameis bias was apparent since 2015 when Jameis was drafted … the guy is silly.

Every teammate and coach Jameis has ever had seems to rave about him and just loves the young man to death.

Jason Licht who worked with Tom Brady said Jameis is a better leader than Brady is! Think about that!

The Bucs owners are said to love Jameis like a son too and believe he's a great team leader as well as a leader in the community.

Jameis does a ton of charity work in Tampa and is known for being the first one in the building and last one to leave when it comes to football as well.

As for not winning … um, Jameis was 26-1 in college with a National Title. He's the biggest "winner" of any 2 year QB in the history of college football.

And, in the NFL, when he was under center for the Bucs, up until he hurt his throwing shoulder, the Bucs team had a 93.9% higher team win percentage with Jameis than when compared to their team win % over the previous 4 years before they drafted Jameis … 93.9%! That would be like a young QB being drafted to an 8-8 team, going 15-1 or 16-0 … Jameis' presence drastically improved the team's win % and that isn't even debatable.

As for being a knucklehead on the field … the guy is #1 ALL-TIME in NFL HISTORY in both passing yards and passing TDs by the age of 24 … knucklehead or not, he's the most statistically productive QB of his age that has ever lived.

Obviously he won’t....would’ve done it a long time ago

You do realize this alleged incident happened well over two years ago, right? Since then he has done an insane amount of charitable work in the community, gotten engaged to his long-time sweetheart, and has a baby on the way … the team owners have raved about what an awesome leader he is.

The media cracks me up … everyone knew about this allegation last season and everyone speculated that whether he did anything wrong or not, he'd be suspended, yet now when the expected suspension hits, the media freaks out and acts like he just did something wrong last week, rather than only be accused of doing something 2+ years ago … it's all so ridiculous.

I even tweeted about how I found it interesting that Peyton Manning, just like Jameis, was accused but never charged or convicted of sexual assault, yet the media treats Manning like a beloved son who can do no wrong and waits with bated breath to crucify Jameis whenever they can (e.g. lambasting him for using one of his off-days to do charity work and inspire school children with a motivational speech that contained one paragraph that some hypocritical holier than thou media types didn't like) … and the former Front Office Consultant for the Bucs division rival Atlanta Falcons went nuts and tried to start a Twitter war with me … I schooled him quickly and exposed his bias and he couldn't handle that … then a reporter for the Tampa Bay Times tried to start a Twitter war with me, and I schooled him on advanced metrics and exposed his bias and he flipped out and made a fool of himself … then an ESPN staff writer tried to start a war with me too … and I schooled him and he retreated quick … this all happened in just the last 24 hours and just goes to show how insanely biased the media is, how much they hate Jameis, how much they worship Golden boys like Manning, etc … it would be even funnier if it weren't so troubling that even mere sports main stream media can't be trusted and is just as biased and guilty of perpetuating false narratives and therefore "fake news" as normal mainstream media like CNN is. That's sad ...

Regardless, Jameis is the NFL's version of 2Pac …he's a guy the media loves to hate and his fans just love. As for me, I'm more of an "investor" than a "fan" as I have lots of players and teams I root for and have no loyalty towards the Bucs … as such, I simply pray that God's will is done in Jameis' and his beautiful fiancé Breion's life the same way I pray God's will is done in everybody else's life … we humans are all flawed and pure garbage without Jesus.

[#1duckscollector]

I agree that charity work doesn't make someone a "good person", but as Christian I also don't believe anyone is "good" without God. Regardless, I would say that just as charity work doesn't automatically make someone a "good person", neither does someone being "accused" of something, make that person a "bad person".

You believe he groped the Uber driver, yet no evidence has come out to support that … it's just an opinion. I would also remind you that the Uber driver changed her story three times and the first two versions of her story didn't involve groping at all … it wasn't until the third version where she said the front seat passenger (who she couldn't identify as Jameis originally) grabbed her crotch … the first version was that this person brushed his fingers across the top of her pants and the second version was that this person rested his hand on top of her pants for a few seconds … in all three versions though the person immediately removed his hand as soon as the driver said "what's up with that" and had no further incident the rest of the ride. Those are the facts, take them how you will.

You also state that there were two Uber rides and apparently believe Jameis was in the front seat for the 2nd ride … however you are basing your belief on the recent statement of a convicted rapist who is currently attempting to appeal his conviction and who has every reason to lie. I'm not saying he's lying but he certainly has a reason to do so. Also, I don't believe that he even said Jameis was in the front seat for the 2nd ride, only that Jameis was alone for the 2nd ride, and the NFL itself revealed prior to that convict's statement, that there were "multiple legs of the Uber trip" but not that there were two entirely separate trips, so I tend to believe the NFL who would have tracked Jameis' and Darby's and the drivers cell phones to now how the trip progressed. I believe the NFL also confirmed that Jameis was in the back seat only … at least that's what one of the Bucs websites reported and if that's the case, the accusation is a baseless one.

Also, I do not "blindly" defend Jameis whatsoever. I would never say he didn't shout the internet meme or that he didn't fornicate before marriage, etc., but I would defend him and ANY OTHER PLAYER that gets suspended by the NFL and crucified by the media over a mere unsubstantiated allegation. I believe in the innocent until proven guilty concept, period.

Finally … you can say what you want, but it is a 100% FACT that Jameis Winston has never been arrested or charged, let alone convicted, of anything, at anytime, in his entire life. That's an undisputable fact, even if the media and many individuals don't like to admit that.

I'm glad you brought up this "friend" as it illustrates my point about media bias perfectly. One of the ESPN writers that called Banks Jameis friend was lying and therefore damaging Jameis for no reason. I pointed this out on Twitter and the reporter got upset but then I was backed up by multiple other reporters who knew I was right … the thing was Brandon Banks was ONLY a friend of Ronald Darby, not Jameis. Jameis and Darby have been friends for years but Darby brought his own buddy Banks along for the night and of course we know now that Banks is a convicted rapist. There has been nothing said to-date that would even imply Jameis knew who Darby was, let alone that he was accused of rape at the time of the event … the media referring to him as "a friend of Jameis" is a shameful false narrative and being used to hit Jameis with the good old "guilt by association" nonsense.

As for Jameis' future … I'm not worried about it. The ONLY way I see Jameis being off the Bucs before 2020 is if the GM is fired and a new GM comes in that wants his own guy at QB as many new GMs do … other than that, I think Jameis plays this year, next year under the 5th year option $20.9mil contract, and then signs a massive extension in 2020 … he's simply the best QB the Bucs organization has ever had and the most statistically accomplished QB of his age that has ever lived … I just can't see the Bucs cutting ties, but if they do, that's fine as he should have his choice of 8-9 teams to sign with, every single one of which, other than the Bengals, is a better a better organization than Tampa is!

Hahaha, you're such a Jameis-hater … it cracks me up.

There are a bunch of fans calling for the writer of that article to be fired from his job … in fact, his anti-Jameis bias was apparent since 2015 when Jameis was drafted … the guy is silly.

Every teammate and coach Jameis has ever had seems to rave about him and just loves the young man to death.

Jason Licht who worked with Tom Brady said Jameis is a better leader than Brady is! Think about that!

The Bucs owners are said to love Jameis like a son too and believe he's a great team leader as well as a leader in the community.

Jameis does a ton of charity work in Tampa and is known for being the first one in the building and last one to leave when it comes to football as well.

As for not winning … um, Jameis was 26-1 in college with a National Title. He's the biggest "winner" of any 2 year QB in the history of college football.

And, in the NFL, when he was under center for the Bucs, up until he hurt his throwing shoulder, the Bucs team had a 93.9% higher team win percentage with Jameis than when compared to their team win % over the previous 4 years before they drafted Jameis … 93.9%! That would be like a young QB being drafted to an 8-8 team, going 15-1 or 16-0 … Jameis' presence drastically improved the team's win % and that isn't even debatable.

As for being a knucklehead on the field … the guy is #1 ALL-TIME in NFL HISTORY in both passing yards and passing TDs by the age of 24 … knucklehead or not, he's the most statistically productive QB of his age that has ever lived.

You do realize this alleged incident happened well over two years ago, right? Since then he has done an insane amount of charitable work in the community, gotten engaged to his long-time sweetheart, and has a baby on the way … the team owners have raved about what an awesome leader he is.

The media cracks me up … everyone knew about this allegation last season and everyone speculated that whether he did anything wrong or not, he'd be suspended, yet now when the expected suspension hits, the media freaks out and acts like he just did something wrong last week, rather than only be accused of doing something 2+ years ago … it's all so ridiculous.

I even tweeted about how I found it interesting that Peyton Manning, just like Jameis, was accused but never charged or convicted of sexual assault, yet the media treats Manning like a beloved son who can do no wrong and waits with bated breath to crucify Jameis whenever they can (e.g. lambasting him for using one of his off-days to do charity work and inspire school children with a motivational speech that contained one paragraph that some hypocritical holier than thou media types didn't like) … and the former Front Office Consultant for the Bucs division rival Atlanta Falcons went nuts and tried to start a Twitter war with me … I schooled him quickly and exposed his bias and he couldn't handle that … then a reporter for the Tampa Bay Times tried to start a Twitter war with me, and I schooled him on advanced metrics and exposed his bias and he flipped out and made a fool of himself … then an ESPN staff writer tried to start a war with me too … and I schooled him and he retreated quick … this all happened in just the last 24 hours and just goes to show how insanely biased the media is, how much they hate Jameis, how much they worship Golden boys like Manning, etc … it would be even funnier if it weren't so troubling that even mere sports main stream media can't be trusted and is just as biased and guilty of perpetuating false narratives and therefore "fake news" as normal mainstream media like CNN is. That's sad ...

Regardless, Jameis is the NFL's version of 2Pac …he's a guy the media loves to hate and his fans just love. As for me, I'm more of an "investor" than a "fan" as I have lots of players and teams I root for and have no loyalty towards the Bucs … as such, I simply pray that God's will is done in Jameis' and his beautiful fiancé Breion's life the same way I pray God's will is done in everybody else's life … we humans are all flawed and pure garbage without Jesus.

Never charged and all that...get it....

but trends happen for a reason and where’s smoke you darn right it’s probably a fire somewhere....

regardless... you do need to accept the fact that Jameis will be 0-3 upon return in the toughest division in football and guaranteed to miss the playoffs yet again... so those stats are just watered down in the end

[SuperZeke50]

This thread still cracks me up. Your devotion to this man is relentless. For that, I admire you. That's all for now.

[Devlin]

More calling for him to be cut. Seems a bit over the top. Have to agree with post above, where there's smoke...........

He's on a short leash now.

[Jameis1of1]

Never charged and all that...get it....

but trends happen for a reason and where’s smoke you darn right it’s probably a fire somewhere....

regardless... you do need to accept the fact that Jameis will be 0-3 upon return in the toughest division in football and guaranteed to miss the playoffs yet again... so those stats are just watered down in the end

I didn't expect the Bucs to win more than 8-9 games even with Jameis playing all 16 games as I don't believe in their TEAM until their defense and running game can prove it's at least "average" … and I think it may take 11 wins to get into the playoffs this year in the loaded NFC.

Right now, I've got the Rams, Saints, Eagles, Vikings, Packers and Falcons being the 6 playoff teams … in that order.

More calling for him to be cut. Seems a bit over the top. Have to agree with post above, where there's smoke...........

He's on a short leash now.

The same hypocritical media types that have been bashing him since his FSU days … I'd be very surprised if he gets cut or even traded.

I mean, even if he did what he was accused of, all it amounts to is that he, while drunk, made a sloppy pass at the driver and brushed his fingers across the top of her pants (her original accusation) and when she said, "What's up with that?" he immediately removed him and caused no further incident (the driver's words) … it's not like he was accused of what Peyton Manning was accused of!

And yet, Jameis is crucified by the media while Manning is a media darling and the same sort of folks who are calling for Jameis to be cut, applauded Peyton getting a statue erected to his honor outside the Colts stadium.

The media is hypocritical and absurd.

This thread still cracks me up. Your devotion to this man is relentless. For that, I admire you. That's all for now.

I'm not "devoted" to Jameis. In fact, I'm harder on him than the media is. I didn't give him a free pass for being drunk, nor did I even give him a free pass for fornicating with his fiancé. As a Christian, I don't condone either of those things, while the media does as both are socially acceptable in today's day and age. However, I'm not going to cast aside the "innocent until proven guilty" concept and just crucify Jameis or any other player over an unsubstantiated allegation, simply because the NFL makes a P.R. move and suspends him.

I'm also not going to act holier than thou and pretend that what he was accused of is some unforgiveable sin or even that it's on the level, or even close to the level, of what Peyton Manning was accused of doing, as it's not.

If next year Baker Mayfield or any other QB is suspended over an unsubstantiated allegation, I will view it the same way as I do with Jameis … innocent until PROVEN guilty.

[WizardofOz1982]

I didn't expect the Bucs to win more than 8-9 games even with Jameis playing all 16 games as I don't believe in their TEAM until their defense and running game can prove it's at least "average" … and I think it may take 11 wins to get into the playoffs this year in the loaded NFC.

Right now, I've got the Rams, Saints, Eagles, Vikings, Packers and Falcons being the 6 playoff teams … in that order.



The same hypocritical media types that have been bashing him since his FSU days … I'd be very surprised if he gets cut or even traded.

I mean, even if he did what he was accused of, all it amounts to is that he, while drunk, made a sloppy pass at the driver and brushed his fingers across the top of her pants (her original accusation) and when she said, "What's up with that?" he immediately removed him and caused no further incident (the driver's words) … it's not like he was accused of what Peyton Manning was accused of!

And yet, Jameis is crucified by the media while Manning is a media darling and the same sort of folks who are calling for Jameis to be cut, applauded Peyton getting a statue erected to his honor outside the Colts stadium.

The media is hypocritical and absurd.



I'm not "devoted" to Jameis. In fact, I'm harder on him than the media is. I didn't give him a free pass for being drunk, nor did I even give him a free pass for fornicating with his fiancé. As a Christian, I don't condone either of those things, while the media does as both are socially acceptable in today's day and age. However, I'm not going to cast aside the "innocent until proven guilty" concept and just crucify Jameis or any other player over an unsubstantiated allegation, simply because the NFL makes a P.R. move and suspends him.

I'm also not going to act holier than thou and pretend that what he was accused of is some unforgiveable sin or even that it's on the level, or even close to the level, of what Peyton Manning was accused of doing, as it's not.

If next year Baker Mayfield or any other QB is suspended over an unsubstantiated allegation, I will view it the same way as I do with Jameis … innocent until PROVEN guilty.

I agree with you that media is absurd. However you're showing the same bias you're accusing the media of when referencing the Manning incident at Tennesee. The trainer's story about that incident has changed 6 or 8 times since it happened depending on who she was talking to and when. I'm not a Manning fan but why does the trainer's ever changing account hold more weight for you than the Uber driver's evolving story about Winston? If you're going to paint this with a broad brush you need to use the same brush for all the points.

Winston has had allegations of sexual misconduct following him for years. Another allegation doesn't surprise me in the least at this point. It would not surprise me at all if more women came forward tomorrow accusing him of the same kind of conduct.

I know you're all on the "Take the suspension now because financial reasons" train but if I were an athlete and I was being suspended based on allegations of sexual misconduct, and I knew I didn't do it, then there's no way you're getting me to accept a suspension and move on. I'm fighting that tooth and nail to the end to keep my name clean. The fact that he meekly gave up and accepted the suspension tells me that at least a good portion of the story is true.

[Jameis1of1]

I agree with you that media is absurd. However you're showing the same bias you're accusing the media of when referencing the Manning incident at Tennesee. The trainer's story about that incident has changed 6 or 8 times since it happened depending on who she was talking to and when. I'm not a Manning fan but why does the trainer's ever changing account hold more weight for you than the Uber driver's evolving story about Winston? If you're going to paint this with a broad brush you need to use the same brush for all the points.

Incorrect. I'm not showing any bias towards Manning at all. Until he is PROVEN guilty regarding that allegation, I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt. My point was not to bash Peyton, it was to point out the hypocrisy of the media and how they treat Peyton like a Golden Boy despite the "unsubstantiated allegation" against him being far more vile than the one against Winston, who the media loves to crucify any chance it gets.

I apologize if I gave you the impression I was judging Peyton as guilty and Jameis as innocent, as that is not what I'm doing, nor what I meant to imply … I believe in the "innocent until PROVEN guilty" concept for EVERYONE EQUALLY.

Winston has had allegations of sexual misconduct following him for years. Another allegation doesn't surprise me in the least at this point. It would not surprise me at all if more women came forward tomorrow accusing him of the same kind of conduct.

It would surprise me, as this allegation has been in the news for many months and no one came forward … the accuser didn't even report it to the Police or file a civil claim … if she does, I think he'll win easily as there's no proof anything happened, no witness and at worst, all he did was make a drunken pass at her where he grazed his fingers across the top of her pants (her words) … no jury is awarding her a bunch of money for something like that imho.

I know you're all on the "Take the suspension now because financial reasons" train

Yes, 100% … $3.9mil instead of $124k is a massive, massive difference.

but if I were an athlete and I was being suspended based on allegations of sexual misconduct, and I knew I didn't do it, then there's no way you're getting me to accept a suspension and move on. I'm fighting that tooth and nail to the end to keep my name clean. The fact that he meekly gave up and accepted the suspension tells me that at least a good portion of the story is true.

I disagree completely. There's no point in fighting the NFL, their CBA is airtight and the PCP is broadly worded … he may win a round in a lower court but ultimately he'd just lose as the NFL does not need any proof of anything to suspend someone, which they proved with Brady and others. All an appeal would do is likely cost him $3.8mil and keep his name in the news for a negative allegation for a year … not a wise move imho.