How do we fight it now?

[Yanksfan396]

Also, yes, I believe we lost WWII.

[daniel3417]

As for Hussein being executed, I believe that came a bit pre-maturely. I didn't agree with that at all.

That wasn't up to us. He was tried, found guilty, and sentenced in a Iraqi court.

As for you not thinking we won WWII...I don't know where to begin. I just won't comment. You're off the Richter scale on that.

[OnePimpTiger]

Here are some reasons why we have failed:

--We NEVER found nuclear facilities in Iraq.
--War always affects economies. In this case, it killed ours--plain and simple.
--Of course, the deaths and hundreds of thousands of refugees.
--Bad political image.
--No major oust of terrorism.
--Finally, bin Laden is still alive.

The latter is huge, as it was the sole purpose of our invasion. Now, as of this morning, the U.S. and Iraq have established a general timeline for troop removal. The U.S. did not complete its main objective, and now they're leaving. I consider that failure.

We weren't looking for nuclear facilities, we were looking for weapons of mass destruction. Nuclear weapons are considered weapons of mass destruction, but in this case we were actually looking for biological weapons. It was based on reports that Hussein had thousands of Iraqis killed using biological weapons, which was true, and may be planning to use them against Americans.

The Iraqi war did not kill our economy. The fact that people think the economy has been "killed" is wrong as well. Our economy is actually still experiencing growth, just at a much slower pace than it was. And the slowing in growth is because of economic cycles, the sub-prime mortgage debacle, but most of all because of the extremely weak dollar.

And we did not invade Iraq to kill bin Laden. We invaded Afghanistan for that reason. We invaded Iraq to overthrow a tyrannical, murderous dictator who supported terrorism against the US and to set up a democratic government to replace the dictatorship. Hussein was overthrown and a democracy has been set up.

Also, yes, I believe we lost WWII.

I understand your aversion to war, there are very few people who actually want war. But sometimes it is necessary and World War II was one of those times. Three major countries with powerful militaries aligned behind a very charismatic and power-hungry leader, began taking over Europe and forcing their ideas on other countries who did not want war, and then attacked America on it's own soil even after we had made it abundantly clear that we did not want to be involved in a war. Germany, Italy, and Japan were stopped, Hitler was removed from power, and a threat of world domination was ended. What would you have considered a victory?

Thank you for the excerpts, it helped me better understand your ideas and arguments. If I have time, I'll respond to your email.

[RedGoneWILD]

Here are some reasons why we have failed:

--We NEVER found nuclear facilities in Iraq.
--War always affects economies. In this case, it killed ours--plain and simple.
--Of course, the deaths and hundreds of thousands of refugees.
--Bad political image.
--No major oust of terrorism.
--Finally, bin Laden is still alive.

i guess i kinda agree with you...except

bin laden bin dead...we just gave up looking for his body

[daniel3417]

i guess i kinda agree with you...except

bin laden bin dead...we just gave up looking for his body

How can you know that? Seriously, the public knows less than half of what really goes on.

[RedGoneWILD]

How can you know that? Seriously, the public knows less than half of what really goes on.

I don't know that...and I agree the public knows little, especially with Fox News & CNN reporting...

but do you really think Bin Laden is still alive?

[gsj68]

[quote=Yanksfan396;3584759] How many Iraqi civilians have died?

dont know,maybe you should ask the the car bombers that killed them,we the U.S.A are the ones protecting them

[gsj68]

Here are some reasons why we have failed:

--We NEVER found nuclear facilities in Iraq.
--War always affects economies. In this case, it killed ours--plain and simple.
--Of course, the deaths and hundreds of thousands of refugees.
--Bad political image.
--No major oust of terrorism.
--Finally, bin Laden is still alive.

and freedom for millions dosnt meen anything for you?

[11chaos]

Also, yes, I believe we lost WWII.

Why because we fought back?

Why because people died?
Guess what I like living but I would give my life to protect what
my family and friends have come to know as their life, yes I even
protect yours.

Or is that we entered the war against Germany? The ones
who were doing the U-boat campaign that sank countless
ships delivering supplies, Crewed by civilians and the
sickening atrocities committed by Third Reich.

Japan, who committed so many war crimes against humanity.
Matching the Third Reich in sheer magnitude.

Or is it Italy that you don't like us going against? Mussolini
who decided that Mustard gas was okay to use Or the fact
that he executed those who opposed him, much as Hitler did.

Or is that you just would rather everyone just get along
guess what, that isn't happening and will probalbly never
happen. So Enjoy your freedom and the ability to sleep at
night in your own bed with no fears. Now go thank a Veteran.

[rodent14]

I would agree world war II was necessary and that we won, although both sides committed numerous atrocities in the war. Like for example firebombing japanese cities which were made of wood, causing hundreds of thousands of civilians to burn to death. As far as whether the occupation of Iraq would be illegal if they don't want us there it really depends on what you'd be willing to consider legal. According to international law the initial invasion of Iraq was illegal, so technically we shouldn't have been there in the first place. However, if you want to overlook that aspect and focus on the present day it's definitely a lot murkier. If you consider Iraq to be stable and that they have a legitimate government and are not in a state of war then they would have the right as a sovereign state to expel foreign occupiers. However, since there are still insurgents you could make a case that a civil war is taking place and that the government in power is not completely in control. If that's the case then they would have a more difficult time forcing the US and its allies to leave due to the dispute over the legitimacy of the government. In any case, it's really doubtful that the Iraqi government is going to have the power to force the US out before our leaders decide to leave, so the whole issue of whether it's legal or not doesn't really matter as much in the end.