Truth about Racism

[ensbergcollector]

as far as I know, there hasn't been a Miss Black America since 1997...it was started in 1968, 47 years after Miss America had started and still had not featured a single black contestant...they were barred from entering the competition, so therefore it's not hard to figure out why there was a Miss Black America in the first place...essentially there was a "Miss White America" for 50 years

as far as the United Negro College Fund or other black scholarship programs....if you don't like that idea, don't donate to it...simple as that right?

2 problems:

paragraph 1: so according to you, since blacks were discriminated against in the past, they have a right to discriminate against whites now?

paragraph 2: unfortunately it isn't that simple. when it is harder for me to be accepted to college, and harder for me to pay for college because I am white, it isn't "as simple as that." Do you agree that a white scholarship program would never be allowed?

[BamBam]

2 problems:

paragraph 1: so according to you, since blacks were discriminated against in the past, they have a right to discriminate against whites now?

paragraph 2: unfortunately it isn't that simple. when it is harder for me to be accepted to college, and harder for me to pay for college because I am white, it isn't "as simple as that." Do you agree that a white scholarship program would never be allowed?

Ensberg - you come off argumentive about this while thread as RGW is just making some rather valid points. If there is a party and you and your buds ain't invited, you start your own up.

The UNCF serves a purpose and doesn't in any way take away from your chance as a white student to attend school. Its not like the UNCF bought out an existing scholorship program for all races and made it black only.

I don't have a problem with things that were created in the past continuing today as long as they serve a purpose or have some value. I don't have any issue with the Rebel Flag flying at Ol' Miss so why should I have issue with the UNCF ?

[daniel3417]

I think and hope that my generation and the ones following it will no longer even talk about racism. No one my age cares. It's the Baby Boomers that keep bringing it up.

[themanishere]

Racism will continue to exist as long as the concept of "race" remains as the proponent of our classification system.

In this, there are inevitable discrepancies in how we utilize and implement said classifications because of variations outside of the normative rules of the system (i.e. the concept of "multiracial"). These inequalities then manifest themselves in social relations as racism.

[daniel3417]

It's just funny how in elementary school, we are taught to respect everyone. They didn't mention race much at my school, and we were all friends. Then we got older and the media talked about nothing but race.

Like I said, racism in America is fueled by those above the age of 40 or so. Maybe older. I can't wait for it to be stomped out when I'm 50.

[ensbergcollector]

Ensberg - you come off argumentive about this while thread as RGW is just making some rather valid points. If there is a party and you and your buds ain't invited, you start your own up.

The UNCF serves a purpose and doesn't in any way take away from your chance as a white student to attend school. Its not like the UNCF bought out an existing scholorship program for all races and made it black only.

I don't have a problem with things that were created in the past continuing today as long as they serve a purpose or have some value. I don't have any issue with the Rebel Flag flying at Ol' Miss so why should I have issue with the UNCF ?

when a white male applies for scholarships to college and he is only eligable for roughly 35% of the total scholarships, that isn't being argumentative. That is a problem.
And again, no one seems to respond to my question about what would happen if someone attempted to start a white only college fund. Are you telling me there wouldn't be protests and lawsuits by the likes of sharpton and jackson?


Red- if I am coming across as argumentative, I do apologize to you. You and I debate rather frequently but I hope you know I look at you with the utmost respect and you have even swayed me on a few things over the months. You know I can get heated but in this I was honestly just looking for your opinion. Thanks man

[aw00d05]

I'm tired of the discussion of ethnicity and sports. ESPN is always doing specials about african-american coaches or players and the lack of recognition for these people. I think it was 2 years ago that ESPN did a special on minorities and sports. The reason minoirities exist is because we still recognize it. I'm not saying racism or speration of ethinicites only exist because of this, I've witnessed racist acts in todays day and age first hand, but the only way for it to become extinct is to not recognize the differences. Not only with sports, but there are all-black colleges, frats, scholarships; and this is perfectly acceptable. What if there were all "white" insitiutions like this, would that be "racist", a seperation of ethnicities? So why is it ok one way, but not the other?

I might be taking a giant leap here and **** some people off, but oh well...
I'm in the military and I don't think there is a bigger mixed population than this. And honestly, the most racist acts that I have encountered are African Americans towards caucasions. I won't get into specifics, but it's staggering in correlation to racism of caucasions to african americans.

Just my perception...

you're not alone, in school it's like that too...

[aw00d05]

I might be the only one that shares this opinion but I think racism is still very much alive in sports. Maybe not on the field, but look at NCAA Football. There is only a handful of black head coaches in D1 Football. There wasn't a black coach in the SEC until a few years ago.

If the majority of coaches were once players, and the majority of players were an ethnicity other than white, shouldn't there be more than 4-5 non white head coaches in D1 Football? Plenty of non white coaches are qualified, how come they aren't being hired?

Maybe because schools just don't feel that they are good enough to coach and no i'm not being racist...Look at the NFL there are 3-4 head coaches in the past couples years that are black that come to mind...and considering america is 12% black that sounds spot on 1/10 (10% of the NFL coaches are black) so that's about the population and also maybe black people don't want to get into coaching and want to relax when they retire, just a thought also.

[YummiestBeef]

There are no minorities in the Human Race.

[RedGoneWILD]

2 problems:

paragraph 1: so according to you, since blacks were discriminated against in the past, they have a right to discriminate against whites now?

paragraph 2: unfortunately it isn't that simple. when it is harder for me to be accepted to college, and harder for me to pay for college because I am white, it isn't "as simple as that." Do you agree that a white scholarship program would never be allowed?

no, that is not what i believe...but I’m not sure a college scholarship is discriminatory either…you still have to earn it because they aren’t just giving them away…most UNCF scholarships go to inner city students to attend UNCF member colleges, which are mostly the historically black schools. It was established in 1944 so that black people in the south could school themselves since white people refused to. They can claim Martin Luther King, Jr. & Samuel L. Jackson as alumni. JFK donated the money from his Pulitzer to the fund, and some billionaire donated a crap load of money to it. Why do they have to stop it now? Because racism doesn’t exist anymore?

I want to point out the 12.4% number mentioned earlier…that actually represents 2nd place in the United States, trailing only German Ancestry at 15.2% and ahead of Irish-Americans in 3rd at 10.8%. The thing is White America is a whole group of people including German, Irish, English, Italian, Mexican, Polish, French, Dutch, Russian, etc…….resulting in a massive 76%...White America makes up 3/4 of America and roughly the same percent in colleges and universities. There are scholarships available to people for all sorts of things and ways to get funding just about everywhere (well maybe not in today’s economy). If a white person can’t find a way into school today with those kinds of numbers, it’s not the UNCF’s fault. It’s also easier for white people to get in due to legacy. Princeton has something like 12% of general applicants be admitted, while 40% of legacy applicants were admitted.

I think it’s a little ironic that in this so called ‘black belt’ in the south, black people are the majority in a land 150 years earlier their ancestors were slaves to….where only 40 years ago there was still segregation…and now suddenly everything is equal…while things may be more equal now then they have ever been, it is still far from close.

also...ensberg, i dont think you're being argumentative at all, as if thats a bad thing...the whole point is to discuss the topic, so i dont know how that came up...if everybody agreed, there'd be nothing to talk about