I Gotta Know What People Think

[WilyWestbrook0]

I voted what most people have voted under the assumption that the sex was consensual and not forcible rape or incest (abortion is understandable only in those kinds of cases for me).

Additionally, I disagree with the poster who thinks birth control is a sin. Conception does not occur because of a pill, so it is hardly tantamount to abortion; no life is being formed down there at any time because of hormonal changes through medication that prevent pregnancy from occurring. If you are against birth control, then logically you should be against all medication since all medication "changes" how your body processes something.

[hagansp]

hundreds-thousands of taxpayer dollars add up...that kind of economic genius is what has given us a $1 trillion deficit in less than a year.

And $0.00000000000000001 for this and $0.00000000000000001 for that and $0.00000000000000001 for the other add up too...to over 40% of my paycheck.

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[daniel3417]

I was refering to the act of making since both are responsible for protection.

If you want me to acknowledge that the guy is also at fault for an accidental pregnancy, then of course I acknowledge that.

But since I'm talking about abortion, there is no need to talk about the male. The choice is entirely up to the female as to the degree the male is involved in the decision and ultimately, the decision itself. Right or wrong? That's a different debate.

[daniel3417]

In this case aren't they the same if an abortion is the cheaper route?

Once again, I don't think this is about cutting costs. Sure, if you want assume that girls that want abortion can't take care of a child, then I can likewise make that assumption.

In that case, it's really about the ethics of the thing. Sometimes money has to take the second stage, and this is one of those times. Should a girl who gets pregnant by her own misgivings and own choices be given a get-out-jail free card? I don't think so. I'm not against aborting early, but I think the person who is at fault should have to pay.

Using your logic, addicted gamblers should be given money to stay away from casinos. Sure, it costs money NOW, but we'll save a lot more than if he were to go broke and start draining welfare. The analogy is clear.

[dfr52]

Once again, I don't think this is about cutting costs. Sure, if you want assume that girls that want abortion can't take care of a child, then I can likewise make that assumption.

In that case, it's really about the ethics of the thing. Sometimes money has to take the second stage, and this is one of those times. Should a girl who gets pregnant by her own misgivings and own choices be given a get-out-jail free card? I don't think so. I'm not against aborting early, but I think the person who is at fault should have to pay.

Using your logic, addicted gamblers should be given money to stay away from casinos. Sure, it costs money NOW, but we'll save a lot more than if he were to go broke and start draining welfare. The analogy is clear.

Since money is now taking second stage does that mean you now think everyone should have free healthcare b/c its the ethical thing to do?

I don't think your gambling-pregnancy analogy is accurate. A gambling addiction is considered an addiction/disease. Do you consider the act of getting pregnant an addiction?

Why bring a child into the world who will not be cared for properly and ends up the government's problem?

And how do you make a parent "pay" for having a child? The child is the one who suffers.

[ensbergcollector]

I voted what most people have voted under the assumption that the sex was consensual and not forcible rape or incest (abortion is understandable only in those kinds of cases for me).

Additionally, I disagree with the poster who thinks birth control is a sin. Conception does not occur because of a pill, so it is hardly tantamount to abortion; no life is being formed down there at any time because of hormonal changes through medication that prevent pregnancy from occurring. If you are against birth control, then logically you should be against all medication since all medication "changes" how your body processes something.

if anyone wants to know the real foundation of the idea that birth control is a sin, shoot me a pm.

[daniel3417]

Since money is now taking second stage does that mean you now think everyone should have free healthcare b/c its the ethical thing to do?

I don't think your gambling-pregnancy analogy is accurate. A gambling addiction is considered an addiction/disease. Do you consider the act of getting pregnant an addiction?

Why bring a child into the world who will not be cared for properly and ends up the government's problem?

And how do you make a parent "pay" for having a child? The child is the one who suffers.

I'm not against everyone having healthcare. But I think universal, "free", government-ran healthcare is a huge overreaction. I would much rather see reformation of the insurance industry, and then finding a way for people to get on that. 89% of Americans are pleased with precisely what they have. Therefore, we're going overhaul the entire system??

It was analogy about spending money now to save money later. Super clever comeback, though.

Hey, you're the one who automatically assumes that the woman seeking the abortion can't take care of her child. Not me. How unliberal of you to be so sexist.

"pay" literally means pay. They should have to pay with actual money for their own freaking abortion. How is this even a debate? Check the poll.

[dfr52]

I'm not against everyone having healthcare. But I think universal, "free", government-ran healthcare is a huge overreaction. I would much rather see reformation of the insurance industry, and then finding a way for people to get on that. 89% of Americans are pleased with precisely what they have. Therefore, we're going overhaul the entire system??

It was analogy about spending money now to save money later. Super clever comeback, though.

Hey, you're the one who automatically assumes that the woman seeking the abortion can't take care of her child. Not me. How unliberal of you to be so sexist.

"pay" literally means pay. They should have to pay with actual money for their own freaking abortion. How is this even a debate? Check the poll.

I get the analogy, I just don't think it works.

Even if they can take care of a child why should they have to keep it?

So you would rather have a child brought into the world that is unwanted? I'm guessing those who can afford an abortion are paying for it. Those who can't pay are probably the same ones that can't handle the cost of raising a child. Since a child costs more in the long one the abortion is the cheaper and socialy responsible behavior.

I never said those who wanted an abortion were more deserving. I feel the soldiers should be taken care of first, but unwanted and neglected children are a serious problem in this country.

[daniel3417]

I get the analogy, I just don't think it works.

Even if they can take care of a child why should they have to keep it?

So you would rather have a child brought into the world that is unwanted? I'm guessing those who can afford an abortion are paying for it. Those who can't pay are probably the same ones that can't handle the cost of raising a child. Since a child costs more in the long one the abortion is the cheaper and socialy responsible behavior.

I never said those who wanted an abortion were more deserving. I feel the soldiers should be taken care of first, but unwanted and neglected children are a serious problem in this country.

What is the point of contraceptives then?

My view is simple. And it is getting redundant. I'm happy to help those in need, who actively try to help themselves. We all know the risks of sex and accept those risks the second we consent (of course, rape is a very different story). Knowing all of these things, if the man and woman decide to engage anyway, a pregnancy is on them. They consciously chose to partake in the act, and I don't see how that should affect me. It's like if someone really enjoys driving without a seatbelt but still expects everyone else to pay for his injuries sustained in a crash.

I'm really feeling like my "Pay a Lump Sum Now So You Won't Have to Pay a Lot Later" analogy applies to what you're saying. Why do you want to pay for someone's abortion??

[Aikman_TheGreat]

People need to understand that at one point, we were all at the point where these fetuses were at the point when they were aborted. What if your parents decided to abort you? You wouldnt be here. You wouldnt have your family, your friends, your job, and you wouldnt be a member on this forum. No one on this forum would know you, or read your thoughts. To take a member of this site away just because some irresponsible people cant take care of you or cant afford you is disgusting. Thats just talking about members here, not talking about family or friends. Think about it.