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12-16-2009, 02:19 PM #31
Actually, you might have a point there.
I'm just glad you didn't say banana, like a certain science-hating, literature-befouling evangelist did.
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12-16-2009, 05:42 PM #32
3. "The Bible proves God exists."
This is the one statement I have heard the most in my life from christians. I'm not saying its right or wrong but basing your ideology purely on a collection of books with unknown authors. Did Moses really write the Pentateuch? I dont think so.
I do enjoy a good debate with Christian Scholars that are well learned not only with christianity but also judaism and islam as well. At many christian colleges I'm familiar with, theological studies are very thorough and well rounded.
Would christianity exist without Judaism? Perhaps but I think it is doubtful. Would Islam exist without Christianity? Again, i doubt it.
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12-16-2009, 08:07 PM #33
Since when is the idea of god only connected to Christianity? It's possible to believe in a deity without believing in an organized religion.
See, now you're just buying into party rhetoric. Our country was founded on no such thing.
It is amazing how people don't even know the basics of our country. Do you honestly think the early pilgrams and founding fathers were a bunch of Muslims? Buddhists? It is obvious that the vast majority of Pilgrims and founding fathers were of the Christian belief. If you don't even know that then your school system failed you.
I bet if it was boat loads of Mulsims that founded the U.S. you would know about it. The U.S. would be MUCH different if the US was found by Muslims or Buddhists. If you can't see how obvious that is then there is little I can do except recommend some history books to go buy.
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12-16-2009, 09:57 PM #34
"Founded by Christians" and "Founded upon Christian principles" are not the same thing, Private Pyle.
Were the first Europeans to colonize America Christians? Of course they were. No one said otherwise.
Were the founding fathers, that is, the men who declared our nation sovereign and created our present system of government two hundred years later, Christians? Some of them were, but most of them were deists.
You seem to be trying to mix those two things up, possibly intentionally. Here's the main issue, however. Read the Constitution and you'll clearly see that the USA was not founded as a "Christian nation." Now, if you're trying to say that if most of the founding fathers had been Muslims or Buddhists, they wouldn't have created a secular nation, I agree. But most of them weren't Christians either. Deism is NOT Christianity. And if you're trying to say that we should all be giving Christianity credit, awestruck reverence, special treatment, disproportionate representation and/or state power, then I say "Not in my back yard!" I don't owe Christianity thanks for anything, and if you weren't so concerned with appeasing the dominionist fringe who run things on your side of the fence, you'd realize you don't owe Christianity thanks for anything either.
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12-17-2009, 05:22 PM #35
I realize that getting involved in another of these discussions is like trying to ski uphill, however...
monkeyboy, you say that the founding fathers were not Christians, but that instead they were deists. Exactly who did they see as being the "supreme being" that their deism attuned to? Was it Allah? Buddha? The reality is that Christianity (or some form of it, be it Catholic, Protestant or Pentecostal) was the predominant religion in Europe which is where the founding fathers were from. They may not have been Christians, but I bet they read the Bible, went to some form of church and said prayer over dinner just like the Christians did.
Trying to say that a deist in early America was different from a Christian in early America is like saying bubble gum and chewing gum are not similar or related.
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12-17-2009, 06:36 PM #36
Doubtlessly some kind of off-handed slam at the theory of evolution. Perhaps I should call you "Dirt Boy" since your holy book says we came from dirt. Yes, that's far more glorious than coming from monkeys.
Exactly who did they see as being the "supreme being" that their deism attuned to? Was it Allah? Buddha?
The deist god is a non-anthropomorphic, non-specific, non-intervening, non-personal god. In other words, we do not and cannot know its nature. So no it isn't Allah or Buddha, but it sure isn't Yahweh either.
The reality is that Christianity (or some form of it, be it Catholic, Protestant or Pentecostal) was the predominant religion in Europe which is where the founding fathers were from. They may not have been Christians, but I bet they read the Bible, went to some form of church and said prayer over dinner just like the Christians did.
A good deal of them were quite critical of Christianity. Including presidents Adams and Jefferson, no less. Surely they had read the Bible, surely they had seen how Christians act, and surely that's how they discovered that Christianity is not the divinely inspired bastion of morality it pretends to be. Many of the founding fathers have been quoted as being dismissive of Christianity. I don't care what Smiley the Preacher told you in Sunday school.
Trying to say that a deist in early America was different from a Christian in early America is like saying bubble gum and chewing gum are not similar or related.
And that's like saying flapjacks isn't a stupid name for pancakes.
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12-17-2009, 10:38 PM #37
First, we get it. You hate Christians. To me, there is no point in continuing to bring up arguments.
Second, allow me to ask you this: what if you're wrong? Honest question. I didn't see this in your 10 responses. What if you're wrong? What if you've wasted your time and life arguing with Christians, attempting to disprove God's existence, and you die, and you're wrong?
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12-18-2009, 12:10 AM #38
"What-ifs" are seldom effective in academic debate.
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12-18-2009, 12:54 AM #39
i would hardly call what goes on here an "academic" debate
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12-18-2009, 12:58 PM #40
I believe they have their place.
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Originally Posted by Star_Cards 
