BOOO Mike Helton

[TyrantsASupremeBeing]

Howdy, they are too inconsistant with penalties, carl shoild have used his right hook on his arm & not his car & we would have better entertainment esp. if caught on camera..
The look on Kenseths face when Jeff pushed him that 1 time was priceless

The Tyrant

[jeffgordon]

nascar hasn't always been like this. There were more fights off the track then on in the old days. Only time most of the time an intetional wreck happened it was for the win and then possibly payback after the race was over. Not many times that i remember someone taking someone out during the race so blatantly w/out making it look like it could have been an accident. Trying 2 times before that and missing only makes it look worse. Never anyother cars around during that time. This will happen again and take more than the 2 drivers involved out. What happens when jimmie gets caught up in it? Or jr, or gordon, etc...?

And sparking talk isn't always good if it is for the wrong reasons. I listen to alot of sports talk radio, several different guys and for the most part nascar is getting dissed as a 2nd tier sport and worse. It just shows how desperate nascar is for news.

When i heard them say they wanted to let the drivers "have at it" i took it to mean that they could go after each other off the track more and not risk getting suspended. I thought they were going to allow them to race below the yellow lines. Not just start wrecking each other for everything.

In a sport where you have 3-4 big teams and everyone else is barely surviving you are now allowing people to wreck cars not only during a race but after and intentionally costing a heck of alot of $ for everyone involved. And now that everyone knows they can do it then how much is this going to happen? It will get old pretty fast.

Fix the product on the track, the actual racing! Even the competition more. This cheap thrill won't get you much publicity very long, at least not good publicity.

well said!!!

[skippy]

NASCAR hasn't always been like this. There were more fights off the track then on in the old days. Only time most of the time an intetional wreck happened it was for the win and then possibly payback after the race was over. Not many times that I remember someone taking someone out during the race so blatantly w/out making it look like it could have been an accident. Trying 2 times before that and missing only makes it look worse. Never anyother cars around during that time. This will happen again and take more than the 2 drivers involved out. What happens when Jimmie gets caught up in it? Or Jr, or Gordon, etc...?

And sparking talk isn't always good if it is for the wrong reasons. I listen to alot of sports talk radio, several different guys and for the most part NASCAR is getting dissed as a 2nd tier sport and worse. It just shows how desperate NASCAR is for news.

When I heard them say they wanted to let the drivers "have at it" I took it to mean that they could go after each other off the track more and not risk getting suspended. I thought they were going to allow them to race below the yellow lines. Not just start wrecking each other for everything.

In a sport where you have 3-4 big teams and everyone else is barely surviving you are now allowing people to wreck cars not only during a race but after and intentionally costing a heck of alot of $ for everyone involved. And now that everyone knows they can do it then how much is this going to happen? It will get old pretty fast.

Fix the product on the track, the actual racing! Even the competition more. This cheap thrill won't get you much publicity very long, at least not good publicity.

Everybody is forgetting that one of the best and loved drivers there was won a few of his races using payback means of winning. You ask terry Labonte and Rusty Wallace what they think of being taken out in the last lap for Dale to win the race. Or Spencer and Kurt Busch debaticle. This really wouldn't of been such a big deal if Brad wouldn't of flipped. Speed channel has been interviewing quite a few driver that said this was long in coming. Really only Kurt Busch has stated that it should of been more severe (punishment). In the long run this will boost rating for NASCAR and beneath every surface, that is the bottom line.

[INTIMADATOR2007]

Everybody is forgetting that one of the best and loved drivers there was won a few of his races using payback means of winning. You ask terry Labonte and Rusty Wallace what they think of being taken out in the last lap for Dale to win the race. Or Spencer and Kurt Busch debaticle. This really wouldn't of been such a big deal if Brad wouldn't of flipped. Speed channel has been interviewing quite a few driver that said this was long in coming. Really only Kurt Busch has stated that it should of been more severe (punishment). In the long run this will boost rating for NASCAR and beneath every surface, that is the bottom line.

You got it right ,when racing for the WIN ,not 150 laps down ,No excuse for what was done !!

[nadeau01_johnson48]

You got it right ,when racing for the WIN ,not 150 laps down ,No excuse for what was done !!

Why should there be a double standard for that?

If someone wrecks me 3 times while I'm battling for a win, wouldn't the BEST time to wreck that guy back be when he's in the top-5 and my car is already junk from a wreck 150 laps prior?

[jeffgordon]

To me I think its a COWARD move for anyone to intentinally spin out or crash someone, even if they don't flip there car. If they must fight, fight with their fist, not with their cars. Why not be a real man and grow up? This race will be remembered for the negative action. Do you remember who won the race? I understand bummping and banging, but don't take someone out on purpose.

[jeffgordon]

Everybody is forgetting that one of the best and loved drivers there was won a few of his races using payback means of winning. You ask terry Labonte and Rusty Wallace what they think of being taken out in the last lap for Dale to win the race. Or Spencer and Kurt Busch debaticle. This really wouldn't of been such a big deal if Brad wouldn't of flipped. Speed channel has been interviewing quite a few driver that said this was long in coming. Really only Kurt Busch has stated that it should of been more severe (punishment). In the long run this will boost rating for NASCAR and beneath every surface, that is the bottom line.

Are you talking about Dale Sr? In my opion he was one of the dirtiest drivers ever. A couple of people have stated it wouldn't be a big deal if the car didn't flip. Does this make it right? Is this acceptable?

[INTIMADATOR2007]

Why should there be a double standard for that?

If someone wrecks me 3 times while I'm battling for a win, wouldn't the BEST time to wreck that guy back be when he's in the top-5 and my car is already junk from a wreck 150 laps prior?

Let's keep Nationwide disputes in Nationwide races ,keep cup issues in the cup series , all the people saying Carl could have kiled someone is ridculous ,Every driver has that chance when they get on the track ,It's a danger they all take ...crew men can get run over on pit road ,drivers can die making qualifiying runs ,let's not increase there chance by making BONE HEAD moves on the track !! I do like Carl but that was a BONE HEAD move ...

[almac377]

Everybody is forgetting that one of the best and loved drivers there was won a few of his races using payback means of winning. You ask terry Labonte and Rusty Wallace what they think of being taken out in the last lap for Dale to win the race.

Bumping and banging racing for THE WIN does not come even remotely close to revenge for Carl taking himself out witha stupid move then coming back 150+ laps later and wrecking another car because he was upset about someone racing him too hard.

This really wouldn't of been such a big deal if Brad wouldn't of flipped.

Why is it when I read this kind of statement, that I keep thinking "these people have watched Days of Thunder WAAAAY too many times?

The fact that the idiot sat in the garage/hauler for 2 hours while his team repaired his car so he could INTENTIONALLY go out and wreck another car and put 1 or more people at SEVERE risk is THE BIGGEST issue. The flip is/was incidental to the intent

Speed channel has been interviewing quite a few driver that said this was long in coming. Really only Kurt Busch has stated that it should of been more severe (punishment).

That doesn't sound too much like NASCAR telling the drivers what they should say, now does it? Sounds like Kurt is the only one willing to take a real stand. Who were these quite a few drivers? Roush drivers? Hamlin? Anybody interview Penske guys, Dale Jr, Kevin Harvick(Wish, even more now, that Harvick hadn't of let go so quickly a couple of years ago) ?

In the long run this will boost rating for NASCAR and beneath every surface, that is the bottom line.

Unfortunately, Yes it will for all the wrong reasons. I will now have to defend NASCAR (Ugh I hate having to do this for what USED to be a great sport) from all the stick and ball people that say it never was and never will be a sport...it's more like wrestling than sports.

And Thanks Brian, you are pushing NASCAR more to the WWE side of the argument every day.


Al.

[bouncer]

Let's keep Nationwide disputes in Nationwide races ,keep cup issues in the cup series , all the people saying Carl could have kiled someone is ridculous ,Every driver has that chance when they get on the track ,It's a danger they all take ...crew men can get run over on pit road ,drivers can die making qualifiying runs ,let's not increase there chance by making BONE HEAD moves on the track !! I do like Carl but that was a BONE HEAD move ...

Most of the Nationwide disputes with Brad involved Cup drivers. With the beef between Logano and Biffle going on - I can see this becoming the next rivalry.

Edwards "paid" back Brad at the right time. Brad had a top 5 car - now look him. One report said that crash cost Brad at least 100 points. Brad is right now 33 in the standings. If he had those 100 points he would be around 24. One more bad race for Brad he could be out of the top 35 and having to qualify for the next race.

Of course Kurt Busch would say the punishment wasn't severe enough. Kurt's a teammate and has to look like he's standing by the Penske team.