Tv > bv

[Tachyon]

What is with people putting a TV on their cards up to 4x the amount the actual BV states?

All cards numbered 25 or higher are in the beckett or olpg. Am I wrong about that?

I am just putting my 2 cents out there. People should know that there is always a BV for cards #'d 25 or higher before they put some ridiculous TV on the card for some unknown reason.

I should start giving negative feedback to anyone who tries to tell me their card is worth 4x more just because they don't see it in the Beckett.

Scam artists everywhere.

[Kipper_Backlund]

Why would you give someone negative feedback because they are asking to much? Just say no and move on.

[RGM81]

Well, as an example...Beckett states that an Upper Deck Montreal Canadiens Centennial Habs Inks Steve Shutt SSP is a $30 card. The only completed auction listing of the card went for $2500.

There are a lot of people out there who have absolutely no confidence in Beckett and base their trade/sale value of their cards on their own research.

Remember, Beckett is a guide and not an absolute arbiter. While you are certainly free to use it as your resource, you have to respect others who arrive at their card values via other means. Threatening something like leaving negative feedback for people who disagree with Beckett, and by proxy yourself, is not the best way to conduct your trade business.

[30ranfordfan]

Also, if you're talking about GU cards, many people place a premium on multi-colors in the swatch. I've seen some people that will value them at BV x The Number of colours..... so a 4 colour swatch is worth 4x BV.

If you think someone is over valuing their cards and/or under valuing yours..... best thing to do is walk away.

[Tachyon]

Just because they value it more doesn't mean it is worth more to the next guy. A Book Value, no matter what 'book' you get it from is just a guide, but going from $30 to $2500 is absolutely impossible unless someone is laundering money or someone screwed up.

Also, patches are already multi-colour which renders jersey cards almost worthless.

These cards I got from people here with a TV 4x the amount of BV I couldn't even get close to BV let alone TV.

You don't think that is a little ridiculous? Of course I'm to blame for the trades so far, I didn't have to make the trade, but that having been said I am not likely to ever accept someone's 'TV' ever again.

[habscards]

I do not go by Beckett at all any more. One set say Hot Prospects will have two game used cards per box and a common has a $4 BV. While a box of Series One has two game used per box and a common is $10. Please explain that one to me.

Plus if I have a card I can put whatever value on it that I want. Say that I have a Jason Spezza Artifacts double jersey /150. Off hand I am not sure what the BV even is for it. I would assume that it would be that same BV as a Series One single, non-numbered jersey card though. So which card sounds better to you:

double jersey card out of 150
single non numbered jersey card

[oilfan10]

Just because they value it more doesn't mean it is worth more to the next guy. A Book Value, no matter what 'book' you get it from is just a guide, but going from $30 to $2500 is absolutely impossible unless someone is laundering money or someone screwed up.

Also, patches are already multi-colour which renders jersey cards almost worthless.

These cards I got from people here with a TV 4x the amount of BV I couldn't even get close to BV let alone TV.

You don't think that is a little ridiculous? Of course I'm to blame for the trades so far, I didn't have to make the trade, but that having been said I am not likely to ever accept someone's 'TV' ever again.

Yeah, Beckett did.

Anyways, I use BV sometimes, but only when someone else brings it up. I usually use a combination between the book9when I have it on hand), and ebay sales, which allows me to come to a "trade value". To me, that's completely fair.

[Tachyon]

I'm sorry guys, I'm new to the boards and didn't know people just put whatever figure they want on it.

The odds of pulling the Jason Spezza /150 and a non-numbered jersey is the same. The /150 there are cards of all players in the set and the non-numbers there are a select few players, and more of each. The same total amount printed, for the same price bought means they are basically worth the same.

Oh but if you like the /150 cause you have a thing for serial numbers then by all means, mark it up three-fold and trade it away for more than it's worth.

I think Beckett is right on for the most part. They treat each card is if someone needed that 1 for the set, thats what it's worth to that person. If you go to eBay you can get most of those cards for so much cheaper, especially in lots.

I am not talking cards #'d less than 25, obviously there is no price out there for that. It's like a piece of art worth something different to everyone. For common cards though, there should never be any circumstance where one raises the price four-fold. If its worth that much to them they should keep it in their PC not try to pass it on to someone else as if it were acutally valued that high.

[greg271126817]

it all depends on what people will pay for things. If you check ebay sales a lot of times if a player has a great game, or their team is going to the superbowl the cards will sell for more than book value. perfect example is rob gronkowski. when the patriots were the top team his cards were selling higher than book value. I remember when Chris johnson had his 2k year, and i was buying his exquisite patch autos for about 150-175, after that year you cant touch them for under 500, not sure about now, but thats what they were going for. They only booked at 300. so it just depends on the time how hot the player or team is, and how bad somone wants something. Nobody is trying to screw anybody by asking more than book value. People really just want the current value of the cards based on ebay sales because thats what people have bought things for. As beckett doesnt keep track of all the sales and change everytime something is sold. If they tried to they would be out of business due to all the money they had to pay the employees to keep track of things

[30ranfordfan]

To be fair, the Canadiens Centennial set that RGM is talking about is a really rare case. The problem with the 'BVs' on those cards is that Beckett decided what they should be, without ever looking to see what they sell for.

I had a dual Auto card #/50 of Roman Hamrik & Francois Boullion (maybe the Boullion is wrong - but it was some player about as exciting as that). Beckett listed it for about $25, I can't remember exactly.... I put it on eBay for 99 cents, and 7 days later sold it for about $250. That's where the auction took it.

Players who are normally 'common' retired stars, like Steve Shutt and Guy Lapointe - they were selling for hundreds, and thousands of dollars, because only a few copies ever surfaced, and deep-pocketed Montreal fans wanted to build a set. It's why a hobby box that sold for $100 at the time of release, would now fetch AT LEAST $300, probably more.

But the point of that comment ($30 BV, $2500 CASH value) was only an example.


Anyway, I don't really disagree with you at all. Someone who thinks their card is worth 4x what Beckett says, is probably wrong. There are some instances of it being fair, but they're pretty rare. For the most part - cards are not worth nearly as much as beckett claims they are.

But, while I think that person is wrong..... I think they absolutely have the right to value their card however they wish. It's just that you and I don't have to agree on that value - and we don't have to buy or trade for it based on that.

You will find that there are many way that people come up with values for their cards.... Beckett, eBay, or their own criteria. Its hard to point a finger at any one way and say it is always wrong.... just not always right for everyone.

Sounds like you know when something is a bad deal. No one should be upset with you for walking away from a trade you don't think is fair.

Just because they value it more doesn't mean it is worth more to the next guy. A Book Value, no matter what 'book' you get it from is just a guide, but going from $30 to $2500 is absolutely impossible unless someone is laundering money or someone screwed up.

Also, patches are already multi-colour which renders jersey cards almost worthless.

These cards I got from people here with a TV 4x the amount of BV I couldn't even get close to BV let alone TV.

You don't think that is a little ridiculous? Of course I'm to blame for the trades so far, I didn't have to make the trade, but that having been said I am not likely to ever accept someone's 'TV' ever again.