Panini Certified Discussion Thread

[Fred Bear]

I'm definitely intrigued by the information presented so far... I have the same questions as others - are they really hard-signed? are the patches in the product as awesome as the previews?

The price point seems reasonable and it looks like there should be enough good stuff included to keep it selling. I'm a little worried about the production numbers, though... The parallels, etc. may make master set collectors go mad (not because they are picking up parallels, but because of how they will dilute box/case breaks).

Upper Deck may be playing games with their Gordie Howe info, too... Howe has a trademark on his 'Mr. Hockey' name and has chosen not to sign that way for the last few years. I'm not saying this to promote conspiracy theory, but all UD said on Facebook is that UD is the only place you will find autos of 'Mr. Hockey'. They never said you won't find 'Gordie Howe' autographs in other manufacturers products. The Certified checklist shows way too many Howe autos for UD to have an exclusive and not take action very soon...

[roy.the.greatest]

Guys, can you imagine UD filling a lawsuit against Howe because Howe signs for Panini??? I don't think the NHL/NHLPA would tolerate a card company making troubles to a hockey icon like Gordie Howe!!!!

[nerf2003]

My personal opinion is indifferent. I would like to see the late-90's Certified come back, that had some great parallels and gloss to the cards....I will, again, reserve my opinion until the actual product is rolled out. Loving the PK Subban though...

[Goose97]

I'll be in same class as people here, as having cards in hand to reserve my judgment, but that being said. This is just the beginnings to a long awaited competition that the "Hockey" card hobby has been wanting. The fact that Pannini is jumping out the gates swinging hard, and taking on Victory off the hop just puts it to UD that you better be up on what you bring to the table to go toe to toe with us.

Like every good fight or competition it starts out heavy, but then settles into the innovation stage, and this can mean that card design, and the ever important card quality will improve.....

We will see if the initial rumblings of powerful baby steps from Pannini will pave way to a healthy competition with UD, and we all will benefit in the long run.

[Prime B]

I for one, am excited as heck to see what National Treasures Hockey might look like.

[micfly000]

i was not that like wow looking at these.they r ok. i would think they would wanna wow us one their frist release. still love upper deck

[CSSports]

It should help offset some of UD's early season junk that need to be banished like Artifacts, Trilogy, etc.

Although it would let catch up on my Ice Scripts and Frozen in Time sets....I still like Trilogy but bring back the Dual Patch Autos #/5....
And word is, Trilogy will be there next season...

There's so much that's still unknown, so it's hard to say.Are those autos hard signed, or stickers? That Broduer patch in the picture looks amazing, but I have a feeling it's manufactured - not Game Used.

It looks like the tag that shows the size on jerseys...the one that sits at the back of your neck....doesnt even look like a "patch"

Parallels, except by player collectors, don't seem to be too popular anymore. I can't see all those mirrors selling for tons of cash.

Parallels will be the death of player collectors....

It will be the same as for UD cards; outside the rarest items, the rest will go for cheap on eBay (these days the total production of cards is way over demand). UD won't cut his production run, see 2009-10 UD Ultimate Collection (less good cards, but it didn't change anything as UD released tons of boxes out of the factory), so in 2010-11 we will see 2X more products on the market with UD and Panini... plus ITG is always there. All this for the same quantity of collectors. We will see more good deals in 2010-11 with more sellers and less buyers.

Actually - the NHL regulate how many sets come out - A UD representative said there will be less products from UD in 10-11.....so we will not see 2x as many as this past season

My math skills aren't what they used to be - can somebody help me make sure I've got this right?

Carey Price has cards in five subsets...

Base
Fabric of the Game
Shirt Off My Back
Junior Legacy Combos
Masked Marvels

If I've read the spreadsheet correctly...
Base = 20 parallels
Fabric of the Game = 8 parallels - parallels listed both at the top and at the start of the FotG section combined.
Shirt off My back = 4 parallels
Junior Legacy = 4 parallels
Masked Marvels = 9 parallels

That's 50 cards. In one release.

If my math holds out.

THIS IS INSANE -

20 Parallels? Serious? Isnt that what killed collectors in the 90s and made all the cards back then pretty much worthless?




I think the designs are good....of course this is just a preview so we will see more as we go - but I did not see any of them #'d, the jerseys are small...kinda like Private Stock or BAP a while back, and if its actually the size tag on the Broduer...well...they got probably the last possible piece of a jersey that you can get.....unless they start coming out with a "collar" card....

[roy.the.greatest]

THIS IS INSANE -

20 Parallels? Serious? Isnt that what killed collectors in the 90s and made all the cards back then pretty much worthless?

I agree the quantity is insane, but the quantity isn't what killed the value of the cards produced in the 1990s... Value is not there anymore because collectors mainly collect auto/game-used cards, cards only made of cardboard have zero demand, so worthless. Demand disappeared for modern cards only made of cardboard, the hobby changed.

[nic11]

Kulikov do have some stuff .. woohoo let's chase the 281937 parallels!

[blacksheep]

i just came back into collecting after stopping in the late 90's and early 2000's. part of why i left was that i didn't like all those parallel cards - especially from the brands panini has now in other sports (like certified/elite/etc. and their mirror gold, blue, yellow, red, maroon, purple, pink... inserts.) plus, panini just took over basketball this year. all their products had the same 90s looking graphics and bad designs in my opinion. i hope this doesn't happen in hockey!