The Lack Of Vintage Collectors Is Depressing Rant

[roy.the.greatest]

But they are still THAT product from THAT year, correct? The only difference I see between the two is that someone else cut the cards better than the manufacturer. That in it self doesn't make one or the other any more or less genuine.

What if I bought an uncut sheet myself. Then sent it to Topps and had them cut it for me. Would that make it genuine? I see no difference.

Genuine factory card from the manufacturer, or trimmed card, I see a big difference; and a lot of people make a distinction regarding this aspect, so easy to detect for OPC/Topps. As long as the uncut sheet surface is not damaged, the "cut" (giving perfect edges, corners, centering) makes the value of a card. So I think it is very important for a collectible. Otherwise, anybody could trim any card by removing 0.5 mm on each edge, and you'll get razor cards all the time... but we all know it isn't correct to do that. Plus or less 0.5 mm per edge, you are still in manufacturer's tolerances. Trimming cards is not something good for the hobby.

[centrehice]

OPC from 1977 onward are Wire-Cut. KSA knows this and Beckett suppsosedly is suppose to know this to. I don't expect PSA to know this as they grade cut cards all the time.

The OPC Wire-Cut is the reason that there aren't any perfect Gretzky Beckett, or KSA 10's anywhere.

[TMLJWHW Fan]

I am also an old school kid. The thing about collecting when I was a kid was the smell of the stick of gum that came in every pack of O-Pee-Chee. You chewed on the gum while flipping thrugh the few cards. looking for your favourite players and using the Habs as clickers in your old Banana seat bike. Sure miss these days. Every time I look at my collection it takes me back to the day.
For us few "old timers" it might be hard to understand how some guys would rather collect present day cards. Back then I collected the cards because they were heroes, not multimillion dollar players.
Each generation has their reasons for collecting what they want. At least we all agree that we love to collect hockey cards.

Cheers

TMLJWHW Fan

[Fred Bear]

OPC from 1977 onward are Wire-Cut. KSA knows this and Beckett suppsosedly is suppose to know this to. I don't expect PSA to know this as they grade cut cards all the time.

The OPC Wire-Cut is the reason that there aren't any perfect Gretzky Beckett, or KSA 10's anywhere.

I'm not sure if you're trying to say that Beckett doesn't grade cards cut from sheets, but there are actually 9 BVG 9.5 OPC Gretzkys and 2 Topps (from the Beckett population report). I would bet that most, if not all, were never pulled from packs.

Just search for BGS on ebay and look at all the martin-sports listings for sheet-cut cards that Beckett has graded highly.

[Billwinkle]

I am a huge vintage collector, buyer and trader. I never sell. Check out my inventory. I just started to use it so I have ton's to go

[bprice]

No matter how many of you there are, I will continue to make cards for you to collect.

Brian Price

[mooneyes]

Great thread, don't agree or disagree with anyone really, it is mostly about who you relate to most, I imagine when I am 10-20 years older kids will look at me or my Ovechkin cards and wonder, why is he such a big deal to you????? The answer is simple of course, 2005, Capitals vs Yotes, just another boring regular season game right? Nope, whenever I look at an Ovie card I instantly smile and remember the words of Curt Keilback, "Just when you thought it was impossible....He STILL found away to Get It Done." If you don't know the goal I am talking about, no one can blame you for being really young. 10 years from now an 18 year old will not be affected in the same way, not even being born and having experienced the Moment of it...and that is why people mainly collect, to keep those amazing memories close and alive, and the nostalgic memories of youth alive as well. A piece of history as they say, your own more than anyone wants to admit or even realizes...just my 2 cts and nothing more, it is all good!

[GHCHambone]

Some interesting info on sheet cut cards here:
http://www.tradingcardcentral.com/ar...02_001_001.php

Supposedly, SGC and PSA do not grade sheet cut cards. Beckett will.

[ravens_creed]

A lot can change in not a lot of time. I find my post from 2010 very misrepresentative of how I look at things now. Vintage GU cards are probably my biggest passion, and what I chase the most these days. So, I guess you could say it took less than three years for me to fall out of love with the predictable influx of "new cards" and embrace the scarcity and rarity of older cards. There will always be an interest, especially for those of us who appreciate the history of the game and the players of years gone by who have played their unforgotten parts.

[Billwinkle]

I guess we should decide what vintage is. Many think that anything before the card collecting explosion of the early 90's could be considered vintage. I beg to differ,I think it is a rolling target. Anything that is 40 yrs old is considered an antique in most collecting circles. Antique and vintage are interchangeable in my opinion so therefore any card made 1973 or earlier would be considered vintage in 2013. So a Gretzky rookie would not be vintage...valuable yes vintage no. Another way to look at it is when a common from any set is booked at $2 or more after 20 years. These cards have hit the low end of their cycle and are now on the way back up in value. Lets face it the value of the card should at least be more than the cost to mail it for it to be considered vintage.

That being said I have a huge collection of vintage/antique cards available for trade. My collection starts in 1990-1974 non vintage and from 1973 - 1930's for vintage.