The cup

[haelwho2]

Stamkos actually really underwhelmed his rookie season and there were talks that he might be a bust. He didn't really take off in the hobby until he started to break out last season. Tampa Bay is not exactly a hobby hotbed, but now he's good enough that it makes no difference.

Tavares has been better as a rookie and probably has similar upside, as far as his offensive impact. Different players, but they'll both be stars. Tavares' cards will probably continue to go up, they might even skyrocket if he scores at a PPG rate next year.

Price, on the other hand, came in with a lot of fanfare. He seems to still be running off that. He hasn't shown that he's worthy of the hype at this point.

[jibron86]

hi there

well in my opinion i would say it is not fair at the moment to count Tavares out becuase if u look at rookie season point it would show u other wise.

patrick kane 82 games 21 goals 51 assists 72 points
bobby ryan 64 games 31 goals 26 assists 57 points
matt duchene 81 games 24 goals 31 assists 55 points
john tavares 82 games 24 goals 30 assists 54 points
jonathan toews 64 games 24 goals 30 assists 54 points
steven stamkos 79 games 23 goals 23 assists 46 points

Tavares in my opinion does not have as much fire power on his team like Kane Toews Backstrom or even Stamkos.

thanks johnnaseri

[bluesfan6]

Any 18 year old that scores above 20 goals is pretty impressive. The guy was the first overall pick for a reason. Expect his point totals and goal totals too steadily rise as the Islanders rebuild. Niemi is a strange case as he is quite a bit older than the other rookies and IMO is more a product of the team than him being a great goaltender. I wont argue with you about Price though but he is still young and does have potential.

[stop__dreaming]

If you're relating to the fact that you're comparing Tavares and Myers on hockey ability, you cannot say one is better than the other. They play at either end of the ice at different positions. They both are good at what they do but at different aspects of their game.

Tavares, as someone else said, will continue to rise in points. The Isles are slowly but surely rebuilding and JT may match Stamkos' points total from last season, but obviously not yet.

Sorry if you weren't comparing their ability, lol.

[30ranfordfan]

Really, Really, REALLY, simple answer.

Prices of cards reflect the demand for those cards, not how good someone is on the ice, the Championship they won, or any individual awards.

How well they play MIGHT up their popularity, and their card prices with it..... but not necessarily.

[howethegreat]

im not saying that myers the same calibur as tavares but he did win roy. that has to count for something

[JHEYKID]

1st Overall= Hype. Hype= Demand for cards. Demand= Higher Prices.

[30ranfordfan]

In the grand scheme of things, not really.

I'm sure if you were tracking sales of his cards (at the time) there was probably a little spike for about a week after the awards.

At the end of the day, Myers is a defenceman (a position that gets no hobby love) on a team that.... with all due respect..... not many people outside of Western New York care about.

Tavares has a ton of hype, looks like he could be a top-sniper in the NHL for many years. That's the kind of player people spend big bucks on.


To top that all off - isn't Myers /249 ?? Even if he wins the next 6 Norris trophies - there's no way his Cup / 249 will match Taveres' /99 in value. 2.5x as many copies.

im not saying that myers the same calibur as tavares but he did win roy. that has to count for something

[centrehice]

Beckett only Cow-Tows to popularity. For this very reason I disdain them. Mark Messier, Ron Francis, Adam Oates and soon to be Mark Recchi will all be in the HOF with point totals that guys like Cam Neely could only dream about.

They get zilch love from Beckett. Beckett has never based BV price translated from on-ice performance, and to me that is shoddy.

[30ranfordfan]

We can debate the merits of beckett, and how accurate their prices are..... but on-ice performance should not, and never has been a factor in determining price.

If beckett started raising their values because a player
is doing well, or was elected to the HOF - would they not then be setting the value of cards, rather than reporting them (which is what they're supposed to do)?

The whole "this player did <<insert something spectacular>>, so his cards should go up in value" argument caries no weight with me. Prices are set by demand, and demand alone. On ice performance will factor into demand - but it's not the only factor.

This is the same reason why Crosby sells for double what Ovechkin does. Doesn't matter who the better player is - Crosby is not TWICE as good as OV. But his cards are in much higher demand.

Carey Price hasn't been great in a couple of years, yet the fans in Montreal continue to buy up his stuff - so prices stay fairly high.

Halak? He can win the Vezina this year, and nobody will care becuase he's in St. Louis. He may as well be Ilya Bryzgalov.

You're the greatest defenceman of your generation, and argubly on of the best 5 ever? You've won four Cups, and practically own the Norris trophy? Sorry Lidstrom.... you're never going to sell that well becuase A) You play the least loved position, and B) You're European.

What do you want Beckett to do? Openly make up prices, and tell us all what we 'should' be paying?

Beckett only Cow-Tows to popularity. For this very reason I disdain them. Mark Messier, Ron Francis, Adam Oates and soon to be Mark Recchi will all be in the HOF with point totals that guys like Cam Neely could only dream about.

They get zilch love from Beckett. Beckett has never based BV price translated from on-ice performance, and to me that is shoddy.