The cup

[joecoolio]

Its really all about popularity. Canadians love hockey cards more than any other country generally... so Canadian born players are more sought after than any other born countries. Jaromir Jagr is one of the best of all time... so is Martin Brodeur. I don't know many Canadians who would rather a Jagr card than Brodeur.

[gomaz]

You are both right, actually.

Beckett should report on actual market activity, but they do not.

Heck, they send Upper Deck pricing on The Cup before its even packed out.

[30ranfordfan]

And that's a whole other argument...... actual market activity is what they should report, but too often their guilty of ignoring current market trends, especially in the case of older cards.

You are both right, actually.

Beckett should report on actual market activity, but they do not.

Heck, they send Upper Deck pricing on The Cup before its even packed out.

[CrosbyIsKing]

so you wouldnt put the r.o.y or the stanley cup winning rookie goaltender higher than an average rookie?

your calling tavares an average rookie? lol you got a lot to learn. his season was average, he isn't

[CrosbyIsKing]

We can debate the merits of beckett, and how accurate their prices are..... but on-ice performance should not, and never has been a factor in determining price.

If beckett started raising their values because a player
is doing well, or was elected to the HOF - would they not then be setting the value of cards, rather than reporting them (which is what they're supposed to do)?

The whole "this player did <<insert something spectacular>>, so his cards should go up in value" argument caries no weight with me. Prices are set by demand, and demand alone. On ice performance will factor into demand - but it's not the only factor.

This is the same reason why Crosby sells for double what Ovechkin does. Doesn't matter who the better player is - Crosby is not TWICE as good as OV. But his cards are in much higher demand.

Carey Price hasn't been great in a couple of years, yet the fans in Montreal continue to buy up his stuff - so prices stay fairly high.

Halak? He can win the Vezina this year, and nobody will care becuase he's in St. Louis. He may as well be Ilya Bryzgalov.

You're the greatest defenceman of your generation, and argubly on of the best 5 ever? You've won four Cups, and practically own the Norris trophy? Sorry Lidstrom.... you're never going to sell that well becuase A) You play the least loved position, and B) You're European.

What do you want Beckett to do? Openly make up prices, and tell us all what we 'should' be paying?

IT should be based on skill, that's the best way to determine value for cards. Garbage goalies like Price should not sell for more then his rookie classmates Toews, KAne and Backstrom. Which is absolutely outrageous. If people want to collect garbage hockey players, let them. Then let them increase the value for the demand it may bring. Hockey prices should be based on skill. People do not collect certain hockey cards because players are ''Canadian'' they collect them because of the predetermined value set by Beckett. No one wants their big cards to be worth nothing. People want the most valuable cards. IF they based it on skill players like Forsberg, Lidstrom, Jagr, DAtsyuk, Leetch, Brett Hull would be priced very high and people would collect them much more frequently.

[howethegreat]

IT should be based on skill, that's the best way to determine value for cards. Garbage goalies like Price should not sell for more then his rookie classmates Toews, KAne and Backstrom. Which is absolutely outrageous. If people want to collect garbage hockey players, let them. Then let them increase the value for the demand it may bring. Hockey prices should be based on skill. People do not collect certain hockey cards because players are ''Canadian'' they collect them because of the predetermined value set by Beckett. No one wants their big cards to be worth nothing. People want the most valuable cards. IF they based it on skill players like Forsberg, Lidstrom, Jagr, DAtsyuk, Leetch, Brett Hull would be priced very high and people would collect them much more frequently.

your right it should be based on skill, also tavares rookie season wasnt spectacular, look at niemi's for example, stanley cup, 7 shutouts.

[v3rs3]

IT should be based on skill, that's the best way to determine value for cards.

How does that argument make any sense? People buy cards, stats computers don't. People want their favorite players. They don't buy b/c of skill. Value is based on the actual value, not the perceived value.

Sure, Mike Green is a more talented offensive d-man then Kris Russell, but I don't want any of his cards. I'd burn his rare RC releases to find the Kris Russell cards I still need.

[centrehice]

Carey Price hasn't been great in a couple of years, yet the fans in Montreal continue to buy up his stuff - so prices stay fairly high.


He hasn't been great since Junior. He has not had a successful NHL campaign, yet. If this keeps up, he will be a Daigle in terms of card popularity because Habs fans won't wait forever.

[gomaz]

How does that argument make any sense?

It doesn't. It takes emotion right out of it. It also assumes that collectors are all seasoned talent evaluators.

That argument was laughable, actually.

[Craig2]

We can debate the merits of beckett, and how accurate their prices are..... but on-ice performance should not, and never has been a factor in determining price.

If beckett started raising their values because a player
is doing well, or was elected to the HOF - would they not then be setting the value of cards, rather than reporting them (which is what they're supposed to do)?

The whole "this player did <<insert something spectacular>>, so his cards should go up in value" argument caries no weight with me. Prices are set by demand, and demand alone. On ice performance will factor into demand - but it's not the only factor.

This is the same reason why Crosby sells for double what Ovechkin does. Doesn't matter who the better player is - Crosby is not TWICE as good as OV. But his cards are in much higher demand.

Carey Price hasn't been great in a couple of years, yet the fans in Montreal continue to buy up his stuff - so prices stay fairly high.

Halak? He can win the Vezina this year, and nobody will care becuase he's in St. Louis. He may as well be Ilya Bryzgalov.

You're the greatest defenceman of your generation, and argubly on of the best 5 ever? You've won four Cups, and practically own the Norris trophy? Sorry Lidstrom.... you're never going to sell that well becuase A) You play the least loved position, and B) You're European.

What do you want Beckett to do? Openly make up prices, and tell us all what we 'should' be paying?

I think this says it just about perfectly.