Question about the founding fathers

[AUTaxMan]

Bush's administration literally went wild in their 8 years, from illegal WARS to illegal wiretapping to torturing POWs and everything in between.

But you're saying that Obama has had more "unchecked powers" than any other president.....LOL!

All of those are related to the war on terror. Whether they were unjustified or illegal is for another discussion, but these are not blatant end-runs around congressional constitutional powers to enact legislation by fiat like the current President has done, nor are they blatant disregard for the law, which is supposed to be upheld by the executive.

[duwal]

Be nice, Veggie. You know as well as I that everyone is welcome to an opinion.

opinion is one thing but how much leniency will moderators give to some that is calling other members on here uneducated, loser, etc. Please let us know because if that is now perfectly acceptable without any type of suspension as if so I might not fear putting in the same language to members on here in order to incite arguments

[mrveggieman]

I'm about to go home. I may get back on SCF this eve/weekend but it will be only for trades and sportstalk. I had more than I can deal with of this for a few days.

[shrewsbury]

duwal, please point out what you are talking about. i try to read each post, but sometimes there are too many to read all. I do not have an issue in letting you guys voice your opinion and am more open to allow threads to go astray but no name calling.

let me know so we can straighten this out.

I work a job, teach, and have a wife and a life, so all my time cannot be spent reading every single post, but we try to keep things civil here and do a great job considering we are dwelling in politics and religion, the two most things that can get people in a frenzy.

[jessejordan419]

If neither the Democrats in power or the Republicans in power are the "puppet masters", then who are they?

At the top, Lucifer. Below him is a group of families that extends to Ancient Rome. They come from the Canaanites. God ordered Israel to wipe out every man, woman, and child of Canaan, and even destroy their herds. However, Israel did not, they only killed the men. Then Israel intermarried, and took on some of their Pagan Gods. This is why God allowed Israel to be conquered time and time again. He gave Israel Judges to bring Israel into repentance, but they always went back to the pagan gods. Eventually, after Israel split, Northern Israel was carried off by the Assyrians, and only Judah remained.

These people are sun-god worshipers, and their religion dates back to Ancient Eastern Mysticism. They follow the Kaballah, which is not Jewish at all. In fact, it is not even from the Hebrews. It is doctrines of demons.

They infected the Catholic Church long ago, and incorporated sun-god worshiping beliefs into the Catholic Church. After the fall of Rome in the what, 400's or 500's, they made their way to Venice. They were already the richest and most powerful families of Rome, and they turned Venice into the merchant capital of the world. They had money, but needed world-wide power.

They eventually married Royalty throughout Europe throughout the Dark Ages. This gave them the power they needed. Eventually, they established a headquarters, so to speak, in The City of London. I'm not talking about London. I mean The City Of London, an untouchable district inside London. It's kind of like the Vatican.

These people are Jesuits. They take a blood oath, which is satanic. Blood is Holy to ABBA Father, and these people take a satanic oath. Normal Catholic Priests may or may not have any idea of this. A normal Catholic Priest takes an oath of Poverty, an oath of celibacy, and another oath, I don't remember. Jesuits take a blood oath that supersedes these oaths.

The Pope is the Black Pope, installed by the Venetian Black Nobility. Here are their satanic symbols:
-the Twisted Cross
-the Seashells on the robe
-the number "8", and a pie with 8 slices hangs over many catholic cathedrals.
-the Pyramid or Triangle
-the letter "V"
-and of course, The Sun

These Jesuits are in most major corporations, every political party of America, Britian, and the rest of the Western World, most notably, Italy, France, and England. They have members of the military in America and other countries. They know each other by their symbols.

The Central Banks are how they rule the economies of the world. Every President from Andrew Jackson to Kennedy who went against these Central Bankers was either assassinated, or almost assassinated. Lincoln was assassinated because he was against a Central Bank. Kennedy issued Silver Certificates from the US Treasury, and recalled Federal Reserve Notes, which are NOT issued by our government. After his assassination, the Silver Certificates were recalled, and Federal Reserve Notes were issued.

Ron Paul has been the most vocal opponent of the Federal Reserve System. Until recently, he was labeled a "lunatic" by the Main Stream Media, and thus sidelined. However, over the last 2 election cycles, he has gained too strong a following. I believe they threatened his family, and that is why he is not as vocal. Look at recent photos compared to photos from February. He has aged Considerably! He had to run as a Republican to play the game, but he is Libertarian at heart.

The Democrat Party and GOP are both run by Jesuits. Many Tea Party people have been elected, but they will be either corrupted, blackmailed, threatened, or worse.

The CIA is their military wing. What is the symbol of the CIA? A giant Sun. Look at the symbols of major corporations. Any that have a form of a sun, triangle, "V", or 8 is part of their system. They own Canadian trucking, and they run the Catholic Church. Not every church, and not every Mason even knows of this. You have to rise to the 33rd degree of Masonry to even be considered by these people. They have front organazations like the Builderburgs, the Tri-Lateral Commission, and the Council on Foreign Relations. This is how they plan things in the open, or in the sort-of-open. These are the "doers" for the "puppet masters". They are the "Fall Guys" if you will.

[jessejordan419]

Another assumption that is incorrect. I'm going to have to ask you not to ever respond to my posts for the simple reason that you don't seem to think any facts are necessary to make a claim. If that changes then we can talk.

One last thing, Wasn't Glass- Spiegal Act repealed in '99?

Please, anyone but Jesse answer.

Exactly my point, who was President in 1999? It wasn't Bush. I misspelled, it was the:
Glass–Steagall Act

This act was enacted in 1933 after the Great Depression. The Great Depression was caused because Banks could be Banks, and Securities Dealers. This means they could lend money to buy the stocks they sold. This is a MAJOR conflict of interest. It is much more complicated, but I will let you read about it for yourself.

After the Glass Steagall Act, Banks had to be Banks, and Securities Dealers had to be Securities Dealers. This seperated a conflict of interest. Clinton repealed this in 1999, and now look what happened. The major banks gobbled up all the smaller banks, sold faulty loans that they knew people could not repay(because the government(Democrats) forced them to in the Fair Housing Act), so they packaged these loans together and sold them to investors, knowing they would be worthless when people couldn't pay the notes.

There is also severe market manipulation in the Silver market and Gold market by JP Morgan, and it is cheerleaded by the Fed. The Stock Market is also severely manipulated, and would be worthless if the Fed didn't print more money to sustain the economy. This is called Quantitative Easing or QE for short. They've already done QE1 and QE2, and the Fed is meeting in August instead of September, because they will have no choice but to print again with QE3. They tried Operation Twist, but it will only leave US Taxpayers with worthless bonds because the Short Term Maturity Treasury Bonds the Fed traded to Central Banks for Long Term Maturity Bonds will mature, and the owners will not roll them into new bonds as the usual practice is. They will want their cash, and this will produce sever bank runs and another depression.

But you probably don't want to listen to fact now do you. You would rather listen to someone tell you the Economy is 'DOING GREAT'.

[shrewsbury]

jesse without getting into all that you just posted, can you explain your use of ABBA Father? Don't think I am unaware of where this came from, but I want to get your idea of its use.

[AUTaxMan]

The Stock Market is also severely manipulated, and would be worthless if the Fed didn't print more money to sustain the economy. This is called Quantitative Easing or QE for short. They've already done QE1 and QE2, and the Fed is meeting in August instead of September, because they will have no choice but to print again with QE3. They tried Operation Twist, but it will only leave US Taxpayers with worthless bonds because the Short Term Maturity Treasury Bonds the Fed traded to Central Banks for Long Term Maturity Bonds will mature, and the owners will not roll them into new bonds as the usual practice is. They will want their cash, and this will produce sever bank runs and another depression.

I don't know about another depression, but I agree with the other stuff here.

[Wickabee]

Exactly my point, who was President in 1999? It wasn't Bush. I misspelled, it was the:
Glass–Steagall Act

This act was enacted in 1933 after the Great Depression. The Great Depression was caused because Banks could be Banks, and Securities Dealers. This means they could lend money to buy the stocks they sold. This is a MAJOR conflict of interest. It is much more complicated, but I will let you read about it for yourself.

After the Glass Steagall Act, Banks had to be Banks, and Securities Dealers had to be Securities Dealers. This seperated a conflict of interest. Clinton repealed this in 1999, and now look what happened. The major banks gobbled up all the smaller banks, sold faulty loans that they knew people could not repay(because the government(Democrats) forced them to in the Fair Housing Act), so they packaged these loans together and sold them to investors, knowing they would be worthless when people couldn't pay the notes.

There is also severe market manipulation in the Silver market and Gold market by JP Morgan, and it is cheerleaded by the Fed. The Stock Market is also severely manipulated, and would be worthless if the Fed didn't print more money to sustain the economy. This is called Quantitative Easing or QE for short. They've already done QE1 and QE2, and the Fed is meeting in August instead of September, because they will have no choice but to print again with QE3. They tried Operation Twist, but it will only leave US Taxpayers with worthless bonds because the Short Term Maturity Treasury Bonds the Fed traded to Central Banks for Long Term Maturity Bonds will mature, and the owners will not roll them into new bonds as the usual practice is. They will want their cash, and this will produce sever bank runs and another depression.

But you probably don't want to listen to fact now do you. You would rather listen to someone tell you the Economy is 'DOING GREAT'.

That last sentence is priceless. You tell me I don't want to listen to fact and then make a baseless claim of something you can't possibly know anything about. That being what I want to hear and what I think of the economy. You assume and then you lie, all while calling everyone out for the same things. You cry "RED HERRING" whenever someone makes a point you have no argument against. You sir are a hypocrite and a liar. I have absolutely no problem listening to facts. What I have a problem with is listening to your presumptuous and racist remarks.

[jessejordan419]

If only because Republicans are one solid group while Democrats are a collective of different factions.

How are the Republicans NOT a collective of different factions?

-GOP Establishment (Romney, Christie, and their cheerleaders on Fox News like Bill Cristal, Charles Krauthammer, O'Reily, Hannity, and others I just can't remember).
-Tea Party - even this has many different factions. In Texas, GOP types have hijacked the Tea Party. Dick Army started the Texas Tea Party Express, and it is a joke. Ted Cruz purports to be a "Tea Party Candidate", but his wife is a Builderburger, and I think sat on either the Tri-Lateral Commission, or the Council on Foreign Relations. So he is a Manchurian Candidate.
-Libertarians - Ron Paul types. These people cannot run as a 3rd party because the requirements to get on ballots are setup to favor Republicans and Democrats. These people MUST run as a Republican to have any chance at all.

I don't hold this naivete against you, because you obviously wouldn't know this being a Democrat. Now you know.