Question about the founding fathers

[JustAlex]

Eh, I dunno. Most atheists I know have no problem calling themselves such. I think there's a significant difference between being non-religious and being an atheist. I fall under the non-religious category, but I'm far from an atheist. I believe in the existence of deities, I just don't think that any organized religion has it right.

Definitely agree with you.

Look at me, I have zero problems calling myself an atheist, and OK, I know this is an anonymous forum, but my friends and family know I'm an atheist too.

Here's the thing though.....once you "come out" as an atheist, it's a lot easier, you don't feel trapped anymore, and yeah "we" do use the term "atheist in the closet" because it's very true, hopefully you checked out that link I showed you from the 'clergy project'. If there are currently pastors all across this nation that are really atheists imagine how many regular "Christians" who won't "come out" due to fear of losing their jobs or that their family will disapprove or any other loved one.

Also, I would definitely agree that Non-religious doesn't equal atheist.....but I would argue that the MAIN problem atheists have in this country is with organized religion and not the belief in God(s).

Religion just has too much influence on people...

[mrveggieman]

Thank you for once again proving my point. You would rather attack than debate the facts at hand. This is classic deflection by the loser of an argument or debate. This is why obama will lose. He can only attack because he has lost every single argument. You are employing the tactics of a loser.

You have no facts. All you do is spew right wing anti-obama boderline racist fanatical garbage. Even the conservatives don't want to touch the trash that you post on here.

[jessejordan419]

So an atheist website is not a credible enough source for you to use, yet a right wing site who in it's tagline says that Barack Obama will be the downfall of America is A-Ok, right?

Kindly refer me to what you are referring to. And by the way, obama is the enemy of America. The communists ALWAYS eat their own. Look at Stalin, Lenin, Mao, and Castro. Once they have absolute power, they eliminate their own competition. They will enslave you as well as me. You may think you are a winner, but you have been deceived.

Advertisements do not equate ideology. If you are referring to the David Barton article, he is about Truth. The website itself may have "right-wing" ads as you call them, but the Truth is in the pudding. David Barton has not "skewed" anything to one side or the other. He is about finding the Truth about our Founding, something BOTH SIDES do not want to see happen......


But I'm sure you already knew that....

[mrveggieman]

How many people on here would rather have gorillawaits than some of our other forum posters?

[pghin08]

Kindly refer me to what you are referring to. And by the way, obama is the enemy of America. The communists ALWAYS eat their own. Look at Stalin, Lenin, Mao, and Castro. Once they have absolute power, they eliminate their own competition. They will enslave you as well as me. You may think you are a winner, but you have been deceived.

Advertisements do not equate ideology. If you are referring to the David Barton article, he is about Truth. The website itself may have "right-wing" ads as you call them, but the Truth is in the pudding. David Barton has not "skewed" anything to one side or the other. He is about finding the Truth about our Founding, something BOTH SIDES do not want to see happen......


But I'm sure you already knew that....

Here's the post/link that you put up that I was referring to:

"You are ignorant of the present actions of the judicial system inside America right now. sharia law HAS BEEN cited in over 50 cases already, as the base for the ruling.

You only profess your own ignorance by showing that you are not educated in this matter.

http://yourdaddy.net/2011/06/01/shar...cross-america/


This is nearly a year old, more cases have cited sharia law since then."

By the way, Obama will never have absolute power. We live in a country that devised a system against one man ever being an ultimate ruler. I would argue that he is, in fact, a relatively weak president.

[pghin08]

Be nice, Veggie. You know as well as I that everyone is welcome to an opinion.

[Wickabee]

Kindly refer me to what you are referring to. And by the way, obama is the enemy of America. The communists ALWAYS eat their own. Look at Stalin, Lenin, Mao, and Castro. Once they have absolute power, they eliminate their own competition. They will enslave you as well as me. You may think you are a winner, but you have been deceived.

Advertisements do not equate ideology. If you are referring to the David Barton article, he is about Truth. The website itself may have "right-wing" ads as you call them, but the Truth is in the pudding. David Barton has not "skewed" anything to one side or the other. He is about finding the Truth about our Founding, something BOTH SIDES do not want to see happen......


But I'm sure you already knew that....

That has nothing to do with communist and everything to do with dictator. If any President works his way to dictator it sure as heck won't be a Democrat.

[jessejordan419]

Um, if you notice on that website they clearly post a link to gallup showing the results of that poll, but if you must have it directly, here you go:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/153479/Mi...ous-State.aspx

Also, the poll IS skewed on your favor.....40% of Americans still identify themselves as "Very religious", while another 28% identify themselves as "Moderately religious".


BTW, I consider this poll a better indicative then asking "are you an atheist".....many Americans will NOT admit they are atheist because that term has been VILIFIED by religious people.


However, identifying yourself as "Non-religious" is a lot easier to admit.

I asked you to kindly refer me to the original poll because I will not read through an atheist website. Than you for linking the actual poll. I would agree to your point the poll is skewed in my favor. But the questions are leading in EITHER direction. As you assert many Americans won't admit to being atheist, I assert that many Americans may say they are religious because they feel guilt for not attending services or following a doctrine. Furthermore, the poll does not ask "which religion".

They also use cold calling techniques. How many Truthful answers do you think they will get? And who, by the way, does not immediately hang up when someone "telemarkets" or "cold calls"? How desperate for attention are these people who answer these polls? American's are desperate for any attention. Here is the admission by Gallup themselves that says the poll can be biased or in error:

Interviews are conducted with respondents on landline telephones and cellular phones, with interviews conducted in Spanish for respondents who are primarily Spanish-speaking. Each sample includes a minimum quota of 400 cell phone respondents and 600 landline respondents per 1,000 national adults, with additional minimum quotas among landline respondents by region. Landline telephone numbers are chosen at random among listed telephone numbers. Cell phone numbers are selected using random-digit-dial methods. Landline respondents are chosen at random within each household on the basis of which member had the most recent birthday.

Samples are weighted by gender, age, race, Hispanic ethnicity, education, region, adults in the household, and phone status (cell phone only/landline only/both, cell phone mostly, and having an unlisted landline number). Demographic weighting targets are based on the March 2011 Current Population Survey figures for the aged 18 and older non-institutionalized population living in U.S. telephone households. All reported margins of sampling error include the computed design effects for weighting and sample design.

In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.

These are the problems with polls. 78% of all people know that. (That was a Simpson's reference). This is why you won't find me citing any polls. I will cite hard data, not "grey matter".

[jessejordan419]

You have no facts. All you do is spew right wing anti-obama boderline racist fanatical garbage. Even the conservatives don't want to touch the trash that you post on here.

Show me one racist thing I have said. Please. I beg you. You have no idea who I am or what I believe. I am actually looking out for your best interests, and the interests of EVERYONE in this country. I can't help if you are trapped in darkness and refuse to see the light. I am shining a light into the darkness, and I know I am doing the right thing, because I am watching the darkness squirm in discomfort. I know I am on the right path, simply by your post above.

If a fireman told you the way out of a burning building, would you listen? I am trying to show people the way out of this burning country, but you would rather pick sides, make false accusations, and outright lie.

I will say this again. Show me your evidence. Show me anything you have to debate your side besides red herrings, deflecting, inserting words into my mouth, ascribing beliefs to me that I do not have, and outright lying.



What conservatives are you referring to? Where is your evidence? I have already received help proving my argument, and I tear apart every single argument that "your people" have thrown at me. Why would they need to come to my assisstance if I am winning the argument for them? Maybe they don't want to be "thrown to the wolves" by hateful people. I can take all the slings and arrows you can muster. And I have not stooped to your level of name calling, lying, deflecting, etc.


So please, Show Me Your Argument.

[Wickabee]

I asked you to kindly refer me to the original poll because I will not read through an atheist website.

Remind me again why anyone should bother going to your sites if you won't bother to go to theirs?

Just how "chosen" do you think you are?