Zis time....itz personalll........ - Ranier Wolfcastle

[adamslogik]

I don't know why some sellers have such a sense of entitlement as to the value of their card

Are you serious? Entitlement, like TO OWN SOMETHING?

The Seller OWNS that card, therefor he is entitled (by definition) to determine it's value. If you don't like it, that is your problem but how much money it will take to move it is 100% up to him, it may not sell for what he wants, but if he chooses not to move it for less, he is ENTITLED to make that decision and hold onto it forever if he wants.

What I can't believe is the entitlement of people who WANT to own the card and are complaining about how unfair it is that he destroyed it. If the guy burned it, cut it up, flushed it down the toilet, THAT IS HIS CALL. You have no right to get upset about it, since he only destroyed his own property. The only way you get a say is to buy the card and become it's owner, but everyone was too busy waiting the guy out like it was some kind of game of chicken (wait long enough and he's bound to put it up for auction, where I can buy it for a fraction of what it is worth, because I am so clever and crafty). Well, guess what, this guy threw a curve and there's no getting that card back, and it may upset some, but he was perfectly ENTITLED to do so.

[Yzerfan]

Are you serious? Entitlement, like TO OWN SOMETHING?

The Seller OWNS that card, therefor he is entitled (by definition) to determine it's value. If you don't like it, that is your problem but how much money it will take to move it is 100% up to him, it may not sell for what he wants, but if he chooses not to move it for less, he is ENTITLED to make that decision and hold onto it forever if he wants.

What I can't believe is the entitlement of people who WANT to own the card and are complaining about how unfair it is that he destroyed it. If the guy burned it, cut it up, flushed it down the toilet, THAT IS HIS CALL. You have no right to get upset about it, since he only destroyed his own property. The only way you get a say is to buy the card and become it's owner, but everyone was too busy waiting the guy out like it was some kind of game of chicken (wait long enough and he's bound to put it up for auction, where I can buy it for a fraction of what it is worth, because I am so clever and crafty). Well, guess what, this guy threw a curve and there's no getting that card back, and it may upset some, but he was perfectly ENTITLED to do so.

Admit it, you are the one who listed the card, LMAO! J/K

[dmaksymyshyn]

This thread, and the card that is posted, is messed up. Wow.

[Professor-Chaos]

The card is gone, move along..

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[MattDMC]

Sorry to hear about the card Ed.

That sellers got a screw loose or was off his meds to just give up and destroy a /4 card. Sure we all get fed up with selling on ebay at one point or another but that is just stupid.

[87sluggo]

The Seller OWNS that card, therefor he is entitled (by definition) to determine it's value.

No he isn't. The value is determined by a host of factors, the most important of which is what someone else is willing to pay for it.

What I can't believe is the entitlement of people who WANT to own the card and are complaining about how unfair it is that he destroyed it. If the guy burned it, cut it up, flushed it down the toilet, THAT IS HIS CALL. You have no right to get upset about it, since he only destroyed his own property.

Yes he did do that, and yes he was entitled to do that. But he could have made market value for that card. Instead he chose the tantrum route, and it WAS a tantrum. And like I said in the beginning, I've got mine and I lost out on the second one. The third one (his) wasn't a do-or-die for me.

He put it out there for nine days with a price of at least double market value and then he did cave, just not in the way I would have forseen. I have a card in my watch-list that began on August 27th of last year. It's just a little too pricey for my tastes and there's no OBO and I'm too lazy to write a message. It can sit there for all eternity or maybe I won the Lotto Max last night and I'll go on a spree. In the end the only one who decides what a card is "worth" is ME if I'm the one buying it.

I'm not angry at the seller for denying me the card, I'm angry at the waste and sheer stupidity. And if I were to win it for 99 cents or 10 bucks in just under seven days and send it off to Jon/Steve for a makeover, well then, that's just fine too :)

[87sluggo]

This thread, and the card that is posted, is messed up. Wow.

Dude, we obsess over little pieces of fabric glued to slightly larger pieces of cardboard, we're messed up to begin with!

[Professor-Chaos]

[QUOTE=87sluggo;13208949]

No he isn't. The value is determined by a host of factors, the most important of which is what someone else is willing to pay for it.





He got zero offers so therefore the card is worth nothing..

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[adamslogik]

No he isn't. The value is determined by a host of factors, the most important of which is what someone else is willing to pay for it.

This is where you are SOOOOOO wrong.

That may determine what You feel the value is.... but obviously it didn't set the value for him, and in the end, which value is going to get that card into your hands? Obviously yours didn't do it for you, did it?

With very limited items, such as those with say, oh I don't know... ONLY FOUR COPIES, you may quote all the values you want, but in the end, YOU CAN'T FORCE A SELLER TO SELL SOMETHING TO YOU FOR YOUR VALUE can you? Case and Point, THIS EXACT SITUATION. You can argue with them and try to get them to agree with you on value, but in the end, it is the SELLER's decision to move it at that value or to not move it. Nothing forces him to sell it. It is up to you, THE BUYER to come to an agreement that makes him happy, in order for him to relenquish the card in question. You can argu till you're blue in the face, but in the end, it's the seller that needs to accept your offer for the transaction to take place. He's given you his Price with the BIN, if you want it cheaper, you have to CONVINCE him to come down. You may not like it, therefor you obviously will not EVER see the point of my argument, because surprisingly enough, people have a hard time seeing the difference between UNDERSTANDING a point of view and liking it.

[87sluggo]

This is where you are SOOOOOO wrong.

That may determine what You feel the value is.... but obviously it didn't set the value for him, and in the end, which value is going to get that card into your hands? Obviously yours didn't do it for you, did it?

Ummmm, I never made an offer in the first place, the sellers little rant in his new auction made it clear that no one did. I never talked to him, asked him to compromise, begged him to sell it for a buck, nothing. And where did he get the $200 idea from in the first place? There's no book value because of "rarity" and no one pays attention to the book anymore anyway :D

I've been buying & selling on eBay for 13 years now and I know a little bit about how things work. There are the sellers who put up the wildly inflated BIN/OBO's because they want to test the market or because they think they might get lucky. There are the sellers who put up a wildly inflated BIN/OBO who usually come to their senses and a few weeks later the card is sold for around and about what the collecting world has determined it's "worth" just like my Prime Authentics card two days ago, because the seller didn't want it and I was the the one who wanted it most. And there are the sellers who put up the slightly inflated BIN/OBO's because when they "settle" for an OBO they got pretty much what they wanted and the buyer feels ok with it as well. And a whole bunch of sellers in between. This is how it actually is, not neccessarily how you want it to be, not neccessarily how I want it to be, but How. It. Is.

I'm not pouting about losing out on a card I already have, I've said that three times now. I'm just a little stunned that someone would throw away $50-80 for a meaningless protest. I can definitively say that my PC is worth 14 ba-jillion dollars. Now pay me. No? Ok, I'm torching the lot. Oh, no! Now I don't have the $20,000 that it's actually worth! And the fire's dying, and it's cold. And there're wolves............