Fakers lose

[DeWittFootball20]

Yea it'd be hard to get a fake patch into that.

[theproudestmonkey]

thats 03 mike?? what is it #d to?

[andrade]

fake rolex's are illegal cause they say rolex on them....not because of what is inside them

and if you noticed all these idiots who sell all those fake items at the flea markets,when they get raided,they lose all the product and are stuck with a huge fine for selling counterfit items......i have actually been at a flear market when this happened...its actually pretty funny watching these people claiming they didnt know it wasnt real....running to hide all the counter fit items


is it ok to make counterfit money?? HECK NO....so why would it be ok to make counterfit sportscards??..same thing right

[Stang81]

The Moss is #/ed to 75.

I currently have it, along with a damaged Gridiron Gear Fitzgerald Patch and a Miguel Cabrera Damaged Bat card ready to send back to DLP.

I emailed DLP about 2 weeks ago with scans of this card and they have not responded.

About a year ago I emailed them and someone emailed me back asking for scans of the front and back. I sent them and they never responded.

[sneekc]

Stang81..your card is definately a genuine article. Before 04 there was a lot of stuff that contained patch pieces and said jersey. Plus it is a jersey with a patch stitched onto it. Most patch fakers just use patch only.

As for the guy selling the Bird. Technically I dont think he is doing anything wrong. He is not advertiseing it as game used, made by UD, or anything else. The card is his to do what he wants with it. And he is not claiming the card to be what its not. UD is looking for people that are making cards and passing them off as a genuine UD item. Specifically Yugioh, as the $$$ value on some of those cards is more than any sportscard will see. And there have been cases of people printing there own Yugioh and trying to pass them off as made by UD. Not just single cards, but entire packs, boxes, cases, etc. Cards that are entirely sealed and boxed and being sold.
So the guy is home making "conversational peices" and it doesnt appear to be illegal.
Would I buy them? No.

[DeWittFootball20]

Stang81..your card is definately a genuine article. Before 04 there was a lot of stuff that contained patch pieces and said jersey. Plus it is a jersey with a patch stitched onto it. Most patch fakers just use patch only.

As for the guy selling the Bird. Technically I dont think he is doing anything wrong. He is not advertiseing it as game used, made by UD, or anything else. The card is his to do what he wants with it. And he is not claiming the card to be what its not. UD is looking for people that are making cards and passing them off as a genuine UD item. Specifically Yugioh, as the $$$ value on some of those cards is more than any sportscard will see. And there have been cases of people printing there own Yugioh and trying to pass them off as made by UD. Not just single cards, but entire packs, boxes, cases, etc. Cards that are entirely sealed and boxed and being sold.
So the guy is home making "conversational peices" and it doesnt appear to be illegal.
Would I buy them? No.

Yugioh cards are worth alot? I knew they kinda were, but I thought it was like pokemon where ya cards were worth alot but not more than $100 or so.

[sneekc]

I have a shop that sells mainly the gaming stuff. I ask him about it sometimes because I know absolutely nothing about it, and I would like to understand that part of the market (which is BOOMING) and bigger than sportscards from my understanding. There are cards that people will pay thousands of dollars for in just about any legible condidtion. Gaming cards are about the game and "power" of the card, not the condition. Sure its only the very rare cards that command this premium. And most of us here will never see them, because they dont sell often, there isnt a ton of 1/1's of the same card just paralelled (there is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 etc. and thats it.) And frankly I would have no idea what I am looking for or where to go to find most of the "rare" items.
Gaming is where UD has cornered the market on the kids' wallets. They no longer have to shell out $100 for a box or pack even and the cards get used, not sitting in boxes or on shelves.
So yes, in short. Gaming cards are worth TONS if you find the right one.

[DanielSweeney]

I don't know. People just tell me its fake because the card says JERSEY and not PRIME.

I purchased the card because I figured that the design of the card, and since the card is foil that it would show any tampering (THERE IS NONE).

I don't know how the patch got into that little space, but the card wasn't split in half or anything like that. Here is the whole scan.

If that's a fake, they did a damn good job! A lot of the fakes that are out there seem to have a basic shape (circle) stamped out for the patch. Your Moss has the "WR" cut with the patch under it. That seems like it would be very hard to tamper with.

I'm no expert, but I would think yours is real. Just my 2 cents.

[Bonderman FANatic]

I am not supporting what the guy is selling or making.

The fact that he at least states that it is CUSTOM though, I don't think it makes it that bad.

If he was trying to pass it off as real, then that would be really bad.

Think about it this way though, he is taking cheap cards and probably a $3 patch to make the card. Book Value wise, it is worthless. But "value" is determined by what someone is willing to pay, and if someone is willing to pay more than $.01 on it then they probably feel it is worth that much (to them).

Plus, he is making $20+ on these cards that cost less than $5 to produce. Customers are obviously happy if his feedback is 100% (I haven't checked to see if they are for patch cards like this).

Again, I don't agree with these types of cards or auctions but its not like he is trying to scam people and if people are willing to bid on this stuff (assuming they have read the auction) what is wrong with that?

Thanks
Mike

Mike the problem here in my opinion is this: Sure, they guy has stated that this is a custom made card. But what about when someone not so honest buys this card with the intention of duping some unsuspecting kid? Now we've got a card in circulation that isn't authentic and when the kid that got duped figures it out he can and probably will pass it off as real to the next unsuspecting kid. And this my friend is why you see threads all the time "Is this real or fake" from people scared to enjoy their hobby because they don't know if something is authentic or not. It becomes a vicious circle and it's ruining the hobby.

[Stang81]

I realize the problem with whoever buying trying to resell and pass it off, but I am pretty sure there is no cardshop around who would pay money for it. And hopefully someone wouldn't be so low as to rip off some little kid.

I am sure the back must look pretty bad, why doesn't it show in the auction?

I bet you would easily be able to tell that it is fake. There is no COA stating that it is real, or was real.

I have a Joey Harrington Custom Oregon McFarlane that is honestly so good I could probably pass it off as an actual McFarlane.

I have noticed that when people sell Custom McFarlanes they clearly state "I am in no way affiliated with NBA, NCAA, NHL, NFL, MLB, McFarlane, yada yada.....

Is it wrong to make, or sell a Custom McFarlane? I don't think it is, or should be (AS LONG AS THEY ARE SOLD AS CUSTOM).

If this is a big violation of Upper Deck or any other card company (the auction in question). Someone should report him, if it does violate the rules UD will at least take action to the point where these types of auctions get pulled.

Thanks
Mike

As for my Randy Moss Patch, I know the design makes it pretty hard to fake. That is actually part of the reason I bought it, I didn't think someone could fake it with that design.

I would like it to be real, because I think it is pretty sweet.

I bought this card on eBay (thinking it was real). I asked Newfie about it and he sent it to UD (the link, before I paid). Long story short. The Patch was FAKE, UD must have gotten ahold of eBay and I did not have to pay for the auction.



I pulled this card from RETAIL (probably the best pull I have had from retail). #3/100.


I purchased this card on eBay in 2002, back before fake patch cards were abundant. Also before Logo Patch cards were everywhere. No idea if it is fake, it never crossed my mind. I resold it shortly after I purchased it on eBay.



THIS CARD RIGHT HERE IS FAKE!!! (Az Hakim). I made this one just to see if it would look real. I since have destroyed the card and thrown it away (Long ago).



Thanks
Mike

again, FAKE PATCHES SUCK!!!!