New RNC chair plans 'off the hook' campaign

[drtom2005]

I understand that but you need to tell the a pinko liberal that is saying that stuff that it doesn't matter. You select the best guy for the job. Regardless of how he makes you feel. An Elitist that does a good job is just as good as a common man that does a good job. An Elitist that sucks *** is just as bad as a common man that sucks ***.

OK I am tried of the elitist agrument. In life and this country, we celebrate elite people all the time in sports and business. We do not celebrate intellectual elitist. Why do elected official have to be the common man? I want an intellectual elitist to run the government. You should too. Would you want the average man operating on your brain or a brain surgeon? I find it arrogant and narcissitic for anyone to want people in power to be average. Anyone who uses the term elitists is the one being ignorant, because you do not want what it best for your country or yourself. You want your leaders to be like you. Guess what? We are all good at different things and you should want the best of the best to run our country.

[piranhaenter]

The "intellectual" elitist as you say refers the the amount of schooling they have had, not their actual intellect. Referring to them as an "academic" is probably more accurate. While they tend to be very creative and emotional (which ranges from empathy to rage) they don't operate very often in practical applications in life. Most people would argue that these are the worse types of people in political office since they operate to a utopian mindset rather than the practical application of political theory.

A little side note, I know quite a few academics. While many are authentically smart, most of them I would not be afraid to describe them as "dumb as a sack of rocks". They are almost always afraid to go out into the private sector due to their inability to survive in the "real world" so they tend to bury themselves in academic institutions and government.

To address drtom's response. I suggest you read my post again. My stance was I do not care about elitist, common man argument because I do not care as long as they are productive while in office.

OK I am tried of the elitist agrument. In life and this country, we celebrate elite people all the time in sports and business. We do not celebrate intellectual elitist. Why do elected official have to be the common man? I want an intellectual elitist to run the government. You should too. Would you want the average man operating on your brain or a brain surgeon? I find it arrogant and narcissitic for anyone to want people in power to be average. Anyone who uses the term elitists is the one being ignorant, because you do not want what it best for your country or yourself. You want your leaders to be like you. Guess what? We are all good at different things and you should want the best of the best to run our country.

[drtom2005]

The "intellectual" elitist as you say refers the the amount of schooling they have had, not their actual intellect. Referring to them as an "academic" is probably more accurate. While they tend to be very creative and emotional (which ranges from empathy to rage) they don't operate very often in practical applications in life. Most people would argue that these are the worse types of people in political office since they operate to a utopian mindset rather than the practical application of political theory.

A little side note, I know quite a few academics. While many are authentically smart, most of them I would not be afraid to describe them as "dumb as a sack of rocks". They are almost always afraid to go out into the private sector due to their inability to survive in the "real world" so they tend to bury themselves in academic institutions and government.

To address drtom's response. I suggest you read my post again. My stance was I do not care about elitist, common man argument because I do not care as long as they are productive while in office.

Well I am tired of hearing those terms being used to describe an intellectual and I reject them. I think all of the people on this site support athletic elitism, so why are people afraid of intelligent people? The true definition of education is knowing what you are ignorant about, so I agree with what you said there. My prior posts were about the idea of the common man serving in a national elected positions. I do not think it is apporiate in high level offices. Also, I think it is dishonest for an elected official to pander to any group about thier intelligence to get elected. So you are saying smart people are not better equiped for office, because they run on their emotions. I guess you think any compassion is not apporiate in office. I reject that notion also. I do care if the common man is in high office, because it is not apporiate to have undereducated people in positions of power. I reject this notion of it is fine for the common man to serve in high office. As an example please point to any "common" person that was a president.

[Aikman_TheGreat]

OK I am tried of the elitist agrument. In life and this country, we celebrate elite people all the time in sports and business. We do not celebrate intellectual elitist. Why do elected official have to be the common man? I want an intellectual elitist to run the government. You should too. Would you want the average man operating on your brain or a brain surgeon? I find it arrogant and narcissitic for anyone to want people in power to be average. Anyone who uses the term elitists is the one being ignorant, because you do not want what it best for your country or yourself. You want your leaders to be like you. Guess what? We are all good at different things and you should want the best of the best to run our country.

I like this point, and I dont think I've agreed with you yet, until now. I want a good mixture of "elitist" and "common man". Meaning I want a smart person, that understands the common man. Like you said, I dont want some normal guy off the street doin surgery on my brain, just like I dont want one running this country. At the same time, I dont want someone who grew up in a wealthy, sheltered environment trying to tell the middle class or lower class what is good for them, because they dont know.

Kind of like how I dont think Obama knows what's best for Texas, or some other state he knows very little about. And this goes for any president. Which is why I'd like the states to have more control on what goes on in the state than the national government.

[OnePimpTiger]

Well I am tired of hearing those terms being used to describe an intellectual and I reject them. I think all of the people on this site support athletic elitism, so why are people afraid of intelligent people? The true definition of education is knowing what you are ignorant about, so I agree with what you said there. My prior posts were about the idea of the common man serving in a national elected positions. I do not think it is apporiate in high level offices. Also, I think it is dishonest for an elected official to pander to any group about thier intelligence to get elected. So you are saying smart people are not better equiped for office, because they run on their emotions. I guess you think any compassion is not apporiate in office. I reject that notion also. I do care if the common man is in high office, because it is not apporiate to have undereducated people in positions of power. I reject this notion of it is fine for the common man to serve in high office. As an example please point to any "common" person that was a president.

I agree and very well said. It's been my belief for a long time that the average American is dumber than a box of rocks...I don't want most of them trying to check me out at Wal-Mart, let alone running the country. Of course I have no problem with elitism any way. They're elite for a reason, they're very good at what they do...why should we hold that against them?

Kind of like how I dont think Obama knows what's best for Texas, or some other state he knows very little about. And this goes for any president. Which is why I'd like the states to have more control on what goes on in the state than the national government.

Good point as well...as the Founding Fathers intended.

[drtom2005]

Well I am just tired of hearing that as an excuse to ignore people who have spent years educating themselves. I hear this term on Fox News and other conservative talk shows. These terms should not be a put-down, because these people are smarter than you in the field they are talking about. Now if you do not agree with where they stand, this is fine, but just do not throw it out. Do not disregard it because they are saying something you do not like. Look it up for yourself. Educate yourself. Decide for yourself, never be told what to think.

[drtom2005]

I like this point, and I dont think I've agreed with you yet, until now. I want a good mixture of "elitist" and "common man". Meaning I want a smart person, that understands the common man. Like you said, I dont want some normal guy off the street doin surgery on my brain, just like I dont want one running this country. At the same time, I dont want someone who grew up in a wealthy, sheltered environment trying to tell the middle class or lower class what is good for them, because they dont know.

Kind of like how I dont think Obama knows what's best for Texas, or some other state he knows very little about. And this goes for any president. Which is why I'd like the states to have more control on what goes on in the state than the national government.

Just to let you know, I think we agree more then you think. We just have different ideas about to reach a goal, which is fine. This is what rational discussions are suppose to be about. I have plenty incidences when my conservative freinds change my mind on issues. The way they did it though was with logic, evidence, and science. When I discuss topics with people, this is all I ask. I will not listen to anyone who can not support their positions.