Random views and questions??

[brandonbarnett]

Just wanted to throw some thoughts out.............

Just wondering why some people are so hardcore on going strickly by book value??? I mean it just makes no real sense, why would I or U trade a card that sells for 50.00 for one that sells for 5.00 just because they both may book at 60.00?? Yea I used to go by book value til my local card shop guy and I had a bet and the bet was I had a Mark Clayton rookie auto SP booked 80.00 thought it would sell for 80.00 and the bet was if it went for half of the book I got 100.00 worth of singles, well he put it on auction for 7 days and much to my suprise the card sold for 2.00 plus s/h......so thats why I go my sell value/personal value now.

Also has anybody noticed alot not all but alot of the people strict on book value have high priced junk I ain't meaning that to be offensive but it's the truth.

For the people that go buy sell value what do u use as a guide?? I personally use ebay(as many closed auctions as i can find) the flea market and card shop at the totals up and divide by how many sells there were. Anybody else do this??

Now another thing I don't do I don't believe in the strict auto for auto gu for gu etc deal, if u want a card say a numbered rookie thats hot and goes for 50.00 and u bug me and bug me about it and I pick some comparable autos and/or game used and then u get the pm saying only autos for autos etc wonder why did u waste my time and why should my options be pigeon holed into regular rookies?? I know u can turn down the trade but some people will still hassle u I just a grace this site has a ignore list..........

Y to some people find it approrite to leave smart mouth comments on others post?? This happend a few weeks ago guy stated wants on my tradelist, never returned pm or replied to post, the posted on a wttf list and didn't read all the post as I don't allways reply in order yet still left the smart mouth comment right under the post replyin to him?? I mean geez there just pieces of cardboard plastic and glass there is no reason or call for to act a fool...........

Sorry just had to rant and see what other people think

[JFBanicki]

Just wanted to throw some thoughts out.............

Just wondering why some people are so hardcore on going strickly by book value??? I mean it just makes no real sense, why would I or U trade a card that sells for 50.00 for one that sells for 5.00 just because they both may book at 60.00?? Yea I used to go by book value til my local card shop guy and I had a bet and the bet was I had a Mark Clayton rookie auto SP booked 80.00 thought it would sell for 80.00 and the bet was if it went for half of the book I got 100.00 worth of singles, well he put it on auction for 7 days and much to my suprise the card sold for 2.00 plus s/h......so thats why I go my sell value/personal value now.

Also has anybody noticed alot not all but alot of the people strict on book value have high priced junk I ain't meaning that to be offensive but it's the truth.

For the people that go buy sell value what do u use as a guide?? I personally use ebay(as many closed auctions as i can find) the flea market and card shop at the totals up and divide by how many sells there were. Anybody else do this??

Now another thing I don't do I don't believe in the strict auto for auto gu for gu etc deal, if u want a card say a numbered rookie thats hot and goes for 50.00 and u bug me and bug me about it and I pick some comparable autos and/or game used and then u get the pm saying only autos for autos etc wonder why did u waste my time and why should my options be pigeon holed into regular rookies?? I know u can turn down the trade but some people will still hassle u I just a grace this site has a ignore list..........

Y to some people find it approrite to leave smart mouth comments on others post?? This happend a few weeks ago guy stated wants on my tradelist, never returned pm or replied to post, the posted on a wttf list and didn't read all the post as I don't allways reply in order yet still left the smart mouth comment right under the post replyin to him?? I mean geez there just pieces of cardboard plastic and glass there is no reason or call for to act a fool...........

Sorry just had to rant and see what other people think

Well i go by bv initially when looking at cards and then when puttig together a deal i start factoring in sv. My formula is look at ebay get an average sv of ALL the sales of that card, then take that number add it to hi bv and then divide by 2, and yes i do this for both sides of the trade.
As for why some people are so strict with bv, is when it comes to sv, most people only have ebay as a reference point, and most of those people will go on to ebay and take only the 5 highest sales for their cards and come back quote the lowest sell price for your cards.
SV COULD be a really good way to trade cards, but the problems are that most people only have ebay as their reference, and ebay sales are not trully a reflection of what cards sell for, their are to many variables that affect the final sales price and on top of that ebay is only a percentage of all sales for a certain card. Also sv has problems because everyone factors sv differently, some only use the top 5, some exclude the highest and lowest prices, and some just average all sales. And then when looking to factor the sv of the other persons cards many of these same people use a different method/formula to determine the sv, often using the formula that brings them to the lowest possible sv.
As for the SCF price guide, im not sure that will be something i'll even consider, just fr the fact that it will include sales of cards off of this site, and well, everyone here knows that sell prices here are determined off of ebay sales. Then after getting the ebay price people demand an even lower price using the fees excuse. I just have a feeling that everyones getting all hyped up just to end up all sorts of upset when they realize their cards will have extremely low values because of the way they insist on buying cards on this site.

[BU54CB]

Well i go by bv initially when looking at cards and then when puttig together a deal i start factoring in sv. My formula is look at ebay get an average sv of ALL the sales of that card, then take that number add it to hi bv and then divide by 2, and yes i do this for both sides of the trade.
As for why some people are so strict with bv, is when it comes to sv, most people only have ebay as a reference point, and most of those people will go on to ebay and take only the 5 highest sales for their cards and come back quote the lowest sell price for your cards.
SV COULD be a really good way to trade cards, but the problems are that most people only have ebay as their reference, and ebay sales are not trully a reflection of what cards sell for, their are to many variables that affect the final sales price and on top of that ebay is only a percentage of all sales for a certain card. Also sv has problems because everyone factors sv differently, some only use the top 5, some exclude the highest and lowest prices, and some just average all sales. And then when looking to factor the sv of the other persons cards many of these same people use a different method/formula to determine the sv, often using the formula that brings them to the lowest possible sv.
As for the SCF price guide, im not sure that will be something i'll even consider, just fr the fact that it will include sales of cards off of this site, and well, everyone here knows that sell prices here are determined off of ebay sales. Then after getting the ebay price people demand an even lower price using the fees excuse. I just have a feeling that everyones getting all hyped up just to end up all sorts of upset when they realize their cards will have extremely low values because of the way they insist on buying cards on this site.

How is ebay not a true reflection of what a card sells for? What better tool than a marketplace where there are current SV that you can use. Beckett is the most useless, outdated hobby product on the market. The prices are at the minimum a month behind, and now that a majority of local shows are dying or dead, where does ebay get their pricing? You're telling me the folks that they list in their price guides actually have a clue what cards sell for? If they did, then why aren't beckett prices more accurate?

[Ryo1549]

I am curious as to how ebay does not truly reflect the sell value as well. What variables might you be talking about?

[lumm0x]

I go by my gut. I don't use Beckett or Tuff Stuff guides and I don't use eBay unless someone wants to buy and I need a gauge of sale value. I trade what I have that I do not want for something I want that seems appropriate. I am versed enough in the hobby to know who is hot or not, who holds value and who doesn't, who has alot of cards and who does not. Bottom line is I trade what I don't want for what I do. If I lose out in BV or SV I really don't care. If anyone is in the hobby for the value of cards or treats them as if they were stocks then they really are not a hobbyist anyways, they are an investor. It is people like that who make trading frustrating. If I want something I buy it. It solves the problem of dealing with the myriad of trading quirks that everyone seems to possess.

[MadMan1978]

Because ebay is not the only place that allows sales. It is only part of the pictrue and there sales are slanted at times.

Example: A Monday that has ended on a Tuesday 3 am comapred to the same card ending on Sunday at 9 PM. 99% of the time the Card ending on Sunday will bring a higher sale. In some case i have seen this spread be quite large. Other sales MUST be part of that sale price. Yes theses are the extreme cases however non the less true.

I use Book Value for trade 100% of the time. Book Value is just a guideline nothing more. If an offer is refused so be it. It seems more that you are having issues the way traders are acting over the actually value of a card.

[BU54CB]

Because ebay is not the only place that allows sales. It is only part of the pictrue and there sales are slanted at times.

Example: A Monday that has ended on a Tuesday 3 am comapred to the same card ending on Sunday at 9 PM. 99% of the time the Card ending on Sunday will bring a higher sale. In some case i have seen this spread be quite large. Other sales MUST be part of that sale price. Yes theses are the extreme cases however non the less true.

I use Book Value for trade 100% of the time. Book Value is just a guideline nothing more. If an offer is refused so be it. It seems more that you are having issues the way traders are acting over the actually value of a card.

While I agree with your example, there is a fairly effective way to come up with an average price. Throw out the high and low and average the rest of the sales to come up with an approximate SV. I know its not perfect, but how long do you think its been since beckett has updated prices on 99% of its cards? People charge 1/2 book because they know its more than they would ever get on ebay because Beckett does not accurately reflect market values.

Beckett lacks the motivation and resources to update their "price" guide so that it can be used as a collectors tool that hobbyists might find useful. Instead, Beckett's archaic attitude toward collecting and money grubbing has degraded this publication so severely that the mere mention of Beckett's name draws laughter and scorn. But that's just my opinion, added in with many others I have heard over the last year or so.

I for one refuse to trade if someone uses BV because there are ways to determine current market value. If a card's BV is $100 but you know its selling for $200, are you still going to trade it at BV, **** no !! The same goes the other way, a card with a BV of $200 sells for $100, of course you want to use BV.

[pw52]

I agree with both points. I used to trade at bv only but then again like you said. would I trade a card that books $100 and sells for $60 for a card that books $100 and sells for $25. No I wouldnt(Unless its for PC). Im also willing to give more for something that I like or know it has more value than what mine does.

I also see points to trading at bv, because not everyone sells there stuff and just want to trade what a guide states that they are at. I really dont have a problem trading either way, but expect to give up a little more if I want something that books the same but sv's are off.

[BU54CB]

I agree with both points. I used to trade at bv only but then again like you said. would I trade a card that books $100 and sells for $60 for a card that books $100 and sells for $25. No I wouldnt(Unless its for PC). Im also willing to give more for something that I like or know it has more value than what mine does.

I also see points to trading at bv, because not everyone sells there stuff and just want to trade what a guide states that they are at. I really dont have a problem trading either way, but expect to give up a little more if I want something that books the same but sv's are off.

I see where you're coming from, and agree that people give up a little more if its something they want or its PC. You say some people just want to trade at what the guide states the values are at? How do you know the guide's values are right? Everyone always says, its a "guide" but collectors treat it as a bible. The way Beckett gathers their pricing information is equivalent to the Pony Express delivering mail nowdays. Beckett's prices are always behind true market value, and therefore wrong IMO.

It would be accurate to say that I don't trust Beckett to look out for the collecting world needs whether it be grading, advertising, pricing, or any other supposed service they provide.

[MadMan1978]

While I agree with your example, there is a fairly effective way to come up with an average price. Throw out the high and low and average the rest of the sales to come up with an approximate SV. I know its not perfect, but how long do you think its been since beckett has updated prices on 99% of its cards? People charge 1/2 book because they know its more than they would ever get on ebay because Beckett does not accurately reflect market values.

Beckett lacks the motivation and resources to update their "price" guide so that it can be used as a collectors tool that hobbyists might find useful. Instead, Beckett's archaic attitude toward collecting and money grubbing has degraded this publication so severely that the mere mention of Beckett's name draws laughter and scorn. But that's just my opinion, added in with many others I have heard over the last year or so.

I for one refuse to trade if someone uses BV because there are ways to determine current market value. If a card's BV is $100 but you know its selling for $200, are you still going to trade it at BV, **** no !! The same goes the other way, a card with a BV of $200 sells for $100, of course you want to use BV.

I must be in the wrong league of trading then! I never have had a card book 100 and sell of 200. Rarely in 20 years Have I seen that. Only times this happens is when a cards are brand new. I have always settled for the market to settle, i guess it is just me!