Random views and questions??

[JFBanicki]

Well i go by bv initially when looking at cards and then when puttig together a deal i start factoring in sv. My formula is look at ebay get an average sv of ALL the sales of that card, then take that number add it to hi bv and then divide by 2, and yes i do this for both sides of the trade.
As for why some people are so strict with bv, is when it comes to sv, most people only have ebay as a reference point, and most of those people will go on to ebay and take only the 5 highest sales for their cards and come back quote the lowest sell price for your cards.
SV COULD be a really good way to trade cards, but the problems are that most people only have ebay as their reference, and ebay sales are not trully a reflection of what cards sell for, their are to many variables that affect the final sales price and on top of that ebay is only a percentage of all sales for a certain card. Also sv has problems because everyone factors sv differently, some only use the top 5, some exclude the highest and lowest prices, and some just average all sales. And then when looking to factor the sv of the other persons cards many of these same people use a different method/formula to determine the sv, often using the formula that brings them to the lowest possible sv.
As for the SCF price guide, im not sure that will be something i'll even consider, just fr the fact that it will include sales of cards off of this site, and well, everyone here knows that sell prices here are determined off of ebay sales. Then after getting the ebay price people demand an even lower price using the fees excuse. I just have a feeling that everyones getting all hyped up just to end up all sorts of upset when they realize their cards will have extremely low values because of the way they insist on buying cards on this site.

like i said e-bay sv has many variables, time of auction ending the precise words used to list the card, misspellings, and new sellers always get way less than an established seller will, and like the one person said they take the high and low sales off and then average, well thats not a true average you must use all final sales prices. I've also had people start factoring in the prices for the BIN auctions that didnt sell (the ones in red) to boost the sv on their card. If ebay completed transactions showed ALL completed transactions for a card and not just recent i would consider it more reliable. I would need 6 months worth of sales to consider an average a true reprensation, as cards can go up and down wek by week and i sure wont give someone more for a card of a player who was hot 2 weks ago and has since dropped back to reality, but i also think that these numbers should be a part of the factor, just not as major of a part as what ebay would reflect at that time.
This is why i use my formula and i haven't had any problems trading, but then again i quit trading on this site except for set building needs because of all those people you were all just talking about, the sv people who will do anything and everything to boost their values and use completely differet formulas to lower you values. I knew it was bad here when a mod refused to let me add anything to a trade when i was givig up a $100bv card and he was giving up a $50bv card and his reason was mine only sold for $50 so it was fair, even though i ended up just buying the same card he was offering for $10 and they averaged about $15. And that was a mod, one of the people whos suppose to enforce the rules, help people and keep the integrity of the boards.

[CUHATIN]

I go by Sell value because just like you and alot others have said, no one in there right mind is going to trade a $100 BV card that sells for $80 for someones $100 BV card that sells for $20. No Way!! As for the value of a card, i go by ebay all the way. I also have no problem paying ebay prices on this site because i could care less about what the link says on top of this page. If i want a card that sells for $50, im going to pay $50 for it here, ebay, card shop ect. Just my opinions and thoughts on the subject.

John/CUHATIN

[themanishere]

There is no "objective" market for cards where there are no variables - otherwise it wouldn't be a market at all. Arguing that there are "too many variables" which affect sale prices is a weak blanket statement that does nothing to counter "SV" as such because its really only stating a fact. Trading is not without variables either, so it wouldn't work as an argument for either side.

"BVs" are largely subjective and not dynamic - most companies are slugs when it comes to updating their guides at least somewhat regularly to reflect trends. I think a lot of people who are anal about sticking to BV are stuck in the mindset that "BV has been around for a while, so it must be legitimate." Basically saying to yourself that tradition trumps adaptation. I know people can say, "but for lower value cards there is no need for SV" - the same can be said for BV in the situation.

However, what is even sadder is that people will use whichever value suits them the best. That's just the way it is, and there is nothing wrong with that really. I don't buy the "whatever works for both traders" cover-up. The fact is, we all go into trading with either BV or SV as a preconception for the value of a trade. I could go on about my beef with BV but I'll keep it concise for the purposes of this particular argument.

It shouldn't be about accomodation as much as it should be about compromise - if you use BV, be ready to come to a compromise with the use of SV, and vice versa. The conflicts are because people are too mistakenly stubborn to think any other way because then it seems like they aren't getting "fairness" from a system of value they don't use.