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    I am going to make one final post about this matter and leave it at that.

    The law concerning the flag was created based on LOYALTY to your country. It isn't about feelings or opinion or rights or heritage. It is about being loyal to the country that you live in. Last time I checked it was still OK to be a patriot.

    All of these other reasons for arguing that it is OK are irrelevant because they have nothing to do with the law. Believe it or not, not everything in the country is about feelings and rights, sometimes it is about loving your country and you way of life.

    Is the flag a symbol? Yes. Does that diminish it's value? NO. It increases it's value because it is a symbol of freedom and democracy. If that isn't valuable enough to you to show some respect for it then you need to find a new country that doesn't have freedom and democracy and see if they are OK with you flying a flag other than theirs.

    Very, very well put.

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    You can burn a flag but cant fly another country's in place of or above the United States flag. That makes a ton of sense.

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    This has gotten way off topic so I am done debating this stuff.

    You can burn a flag but you can't fly another country's flag in place of or above the United States flag. That makes a ton of sense.

    First I thought you were done and second thing you're right it makes no sense. The Code that the flag is flown by is a guide, not law.

    You have a lot of people who have gave alot for this country, which provides for all Americans to have the ability of free speech. Even if you don't like the politics couldn't you honor all the people who have given their all for this country? This includes all walks of life in our country, yes including native Americans.

    Yes, in the past certain government agencies and administrations have not had the interest of anyone but themselves and their wallets in mind. I wasn't alive during the times of outright debauchery. What was done was inhuman: providing blankets infected with smallpox's, Forced relocation and re-education, outright slaughter of bison, are only part of the large injustice done to the Original Locals. With all that said, I ask, "Can't we all just get along?"

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    First I thought you were done and second thing you're right it makes no sense. The Code that the flag is flown by is a guide, not law.

    You have a lot of people who have gave alot for this country, which provides for all Americans to have the ability of free speech. Even if you don't like the politics couldn't you honor all the people who have given their all for this country? This includes all walks of life in our country, yes including native Americans.

    Yes, in the past certain government agencies and administrations have not had the interest of anyone but themselves and their wallets in mind. I wasn't alive during the times of outright debauchery. What was done was inhuman: providing blankets infected with smallpox's, Forced relocation and re-education, outright slaughter of bison, are only part of the large injustice done to the Original Locals. With all that said, I ask, "Can't we all just get along?"


    Because they are spoiled. Beause they dont understand what it took for us to be able to be free. They even take "free" for granted. They dont know what it's like to live in a country where they cant post their opinions on a message board, when a lot of countries dont have the internet for message boards, and of course those countries cant voice opinions.

    Now, I dont know what it is like to risk my life for my country, but I will always give so much thanks and so much respect to those who did. Not only those who did, but those who lost their lives and, of course, to the families they left behind, so that people can (blank) on the very flag that those people lost their lives for. Its sad really.

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    You can burn a flag but cant fly another country's in place of or above the United States flag. That makes a ton of sense.

    You burn a flag out of respect when it is damaged, unless you are talking about doing it in protest. Which are you talking about?

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    I was referring to to burning the flag in protest sir. And as a Mexican-American who does wave Mexico's Flag here in the United States I would like you to see things from my perspective as well as many immigrants including Puerto Ricans, Africans, and other "third world" foreigners.

    We do wave our flags here becuase of the amount of pride we have for our people back home and our heritage. We are not ingrates or mean to disrespect this nation but are just representing who we are. Many immigrants that I know of from personal experiences have migrated to the United States with the idea of the American Dream which in certain instances have turned out to be false.

    My family living in Mexico Today are much more wealthy in comparison to my family living here and have always been ever since we first came here. They own cattle ranches and tanneries, natural resources, and land that we only wish we could. My family originally came here believing in the American Dream Hype and has turned out to be a failure.

    I know people that were deceived into moving to the United States by relatives who perpetuate this idea that were not telling the entire story.

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    I was referring to to burning the flag in protest sir. And as a Mexican-American who does wave Mexico's Flag here in the United States I would like you to see things from my perspective as well as many immigrants including Puerto Ricans, Africans, and other "third world" foreigners.

    We do wave our flags here becuase of the amount of pride we have for our people back home and our heritage. We are not ingrates or mean to disrespect this nation but are just representing who we are. Many immigrants that I know of from personal experiences have migrated to the United States with the idea of the American Dream which in certain instances have turned out to be false.

    My family living in Mexico Today are much more wealthy in comparison to my family living here and have always been ever since we first came here. They own cattle ranches and tanneries, natural resources, and land that we only wish we could. My family originally came here believing in the American Dream Hype and has turned out to be a failure.

    I know people that were deceived into moving to the United States by relatives who perpetuate this idea that were not telling the entire story.

    The sad thing is that you CAN burn the flag in protest (unless I'm mistaken). But think of the people who burn the flag? Think of what would happen to them in a country that wasnt as free as ours? I'm curious to what you think would happen then.

    Also, if you love your other country so much why are you not still there? I understand being proud of your heritage, and you very well should be. But you gotta understand that it is THIS country that is giving you the freedom, and not the other.

    And the thing you said about relatives being "deceiveced" into this country, #1 Thats not the country's fault, #2 This is the greatest nation ever, #3 This "greatest nation ever" is starting to backfire on me. But yet it is still the greatest nation on earth. If they want to go back, please do.

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    The sad thing is that you CAN burn the flag in protest (unless I'm mistaken). But think of the people who burn the flag? Think of what would happen to them in a country that wasnt as free as ours? I'm curious to what you think would happen then.

    I do not support burning the flag but it is not illegal therefore raising another nations flag can not be either. Not that its even close to acceptable to burn the flag.

    Also, if you love your other country so much why are you not still there? I understand being proud of your heritage, and you very well should be. But you gotta understand that it is THIS country that is giving you the freedom, and not the other.

    I would have the same basic freedoms in Mexico at least thats what I expect based on experiences and relatives testimonies. Why do I not move back? Because of convenience. I am already here, my closest family and friends are here. I could move there if I wanted to and have not ruled it out in the future.

    And the thing you said about relatives being "deceiveced" into this country, #1 Thats not the country's fault, #2 This is the greatest nation ever, #3 This "greatest nation ever" is starting to backfire on me. But yet it is still the greatest nation on earth. If they want to go back, please do.

    Believe me they have left. I know people that have moved to the United States based on lies alone. Do you know how much they have invested in these trips and to just turn back is very difficult financially.

    I friend of mine moved from Nigeria to the United States on his Uncles testimony that he was living the American Dream. Too proud to tell his nephew that he was actually brok living in the ghetto working for minimum wage he convinced his nephew that he was living great and that he should move here and that he would help him achieve this American Dream as well. His uncles real motive was "I need to get my nephew over here to help me out" Well of course when he got here things didnt turn out the way he expected so he went back to Nigeria. Of course this is nobody's fault but his uncle's but at times like these the offer sounds irrefusable to many when infact its not even worth it.

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    I dont really have a problem with flying another country's flag because of heritage, I just dont like flying another country's IN PLACE of the American flag. You wanna fly the Mexican flag, fine. Just dont fly your Mexican flag and not the American flag in the country that offers you everything you have.

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    Do mind if a foreign flag is higher is the question??

    I dont really have a problem with flying another country's flag because of heritage, I just dont like flying another country's IN PLACE of the American flag. You wanna fly the Mexican flag, fine. Just dont fly your Mexican flag and not the American flag in the country that offers you everything you have.


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