True or False?

[bojohnson]

Because it makes sense to say that at the beginning of the season...

what about all of last year?
ovi was less than impressive last year too

i mean, he got benched the other night

[Satan81]

I just wanna say really quick, im pretty sure Martin Brodeur already topped Patrick Roy. The stats show it, but hey, in terms of talent, its opinion.

[Devlin]

I just wanna say really quick, im pretty sure Martin Brodeur already topped Patrick Roy. The stats show it, but hey, in terms of talent, its opinion.

i don't think anyone will top gretz, but i agree brodeur has topped roy, ken dryden was better than roy. montreal has had a ton of good goalies in their history

[Wickabee]

what about all of last year?
ovi was less than impressive last year too

True. I was responding to the comments about this season.

i mean, he got benched the other night

Good. Stars need to be benched once in awhile.

[ravens_creed]

... just like there will never be a "next Roy"

[xelloss1012]

Forgot something? Gretzky was a center and Ovechkin is a winger. Centers get a lot of points from assists.

Also it's kind of hard to compare Gretzky to Ovechkin as they play in two totally diferent eras. Gretzky's prime was in the run-and-gun era of the 80's with strong linemates, particularly Jari Kurri.

Also, Ovechkin scored less goals last season due to a couple factors:
* Washington's PP was weak last season. Look at his goals to PP goals for each season.
* The first half of last season, he didn't get many goals on the road.

Notice that many player's point totals have slowly gone down since 2005-06. This was the first year they heavily cracked down on obstruction penalties (hooking, holding, and interference) so there were a lot more open powerplay opportunities that were capitalized on. Teams and players have learned since how to workaround not getting penalized as much and build better defensive strategies.

The other thing is league parity amongst the teams since the lockout. Even the worst team in the league is able to get around 60 points by the end of the season. Before that, those same teams were lucky to get half of that.

[durangatang]

next roy can be debatable.

I agree. There could be a next Roy. Gretzky was on a whole new level never seen before and never seen again (maybe a glimmer of it seen by Lemieux for a few years). Roy is no where near that type of level when it comes to goaltending, if anything the term should be "next Broduer", not "next Roy". Leave it to a Habs fan to think Roy is the greatest goaltender :P. He was dam good, but not the greatest haha.

false. Even if there was a player even close to as dominate ( crosby last year before his injury ) the vast contrast in the eras will never permit the same numbers to be put up. Goalies are better, defenses are tighter, the players on average are bigger, stronger and faster which means its harder to dominate. Scoring does not happen at the same rate it used to plain and simple.

This is also a good point, the times they are a changin'!

[centrehice]

Next Roy?

What a joke, 16th in shutouts. Bad save percentage.

There are 8 goalies that have already played the position better than Roy, arguably 11, as Roy did not impress me as much as Crozier, Hextall, or Eddie Giacomin.

Hall
Esposito
Parent
Dryden
Sawchuk
Hasek
Belfour
Brodeur
Crozier
Giacomin
Hextall

[OBOMBA]

Next Roy?

What a joke, 16th in shutouts. Bad save percentage.

There are 8 goalies that have already played the position better than Roy, arguably 11, as Roy did not impress me as much as Crozier, Hextall, or Eddie Giacomin.

Hall
Esposito
Parent
Dryden
Sawchuk
Hasek
Belfour
Brodeur
Crozier
Giacomin
Hextall

tbh i think the best goalie ever is hasek. he played on the garbage sabres and did some amazing things. greatest career=brodeur

[Satan81]

tbh i think the best goalie ever is hasek. he played on the garbage sabres and did some amazing things. greatest career=brodeur

I know they arent in the top 20 (probably), but, you gotta admit Ryan Miller (who is on the sabres :) ) and Marc-Andre Fleury have some talent also.

And we cant forget Mr. Billy Smith!!!!!!


Wow, how did we get from Gretzky to goalies? lol :)

Doesnt matter, i like where this is going! :D