Question about the founding fathers

[jessejordan419]

I have read somewhere that the actual discussion about religion when our country was founded was about keeping any Chistian DENOMINATION from being established as a State religion, not the exclusion of religion 100% as we now interpret. There apparently are writings (letters to and from the founding fathers) to support this.

Dude, have you EVER heard of the Treaty of Tripoli????

PLEASE look into it....especially this part....

"Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

And the other question; please point out the Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, followers of Confucious and followers of other world religions that were founding fathers. I am aware of several that were deists, but none of the above mentioned.

LOL, really?

Unbelievable you would even bring this up.....You're doing such a big disservice to other christians on this board that actually try to be moderate.

So is the old statement that we are the melting pot true or a farce? It appears that the founders of our country were primarily WASPS with similar backgrounds.

Yeah, our founders were so big on religion that they said NOTHING about God in the constitution and everything on religion was meant to have a secular government..

John Adams was one of the worst Presidents ever. He may have had a vital role in founding our country, but he had a hapless Presidency. This was also not signed by the Founders, but by the Senators of the day. Remember, The Founders didn't think the country would last 30 years. The evidence was already starting to mount with this Treaty.

I would have to start multiple threads to show you that the Founders did indeed, found this country on Christian principles, and many have several quotes to the same.

By the way, read the Declaration of Independence, it came FIRST......we are endowed BY OUR CREATOR.......and so on and so on. You choose to cherry pick documents which have nothing to do with our founding. The Treaty of Tripoli is America's first attempt at APPEASEMENT.

[pghin08]

You are ignorant of the present actions of the judicial system inside America right now. sharia law HAS BEEN cited in over 50 cases already, as the base for the ruling.

You only profess your own ignorance by showing that you are not educated in this matter.

http://yourdaddy.net/2011/06/01/shar...cross-america/


This is nearly a year old, more cases have cited sharia law since then.

So we're now getting our news from a site LITERALLY called "yourdaddy.net", whose tagline is "Does Barack Obama Represent the EndGame for America: YourDaddy thinks so." And by the way, that study was done by the "Center for Security Policy" a right-wing neocon group who once said that they were in favor of eschewing all Constitutional prohibitions in regards to Presidential terms, and just make George W. Bush President for life.

[duwal]

Can we start voting people off of P&R?

well he will at least (or should according to the rules if the mods decide to go by the sites guidelines) be suspended for personal attacks and inciting arguments. I mean in one swoop he said Rockman was ignorant and not educated. On a different post he talked about Obama's America being black mobs all over america beating whites

[Wickabee]

well he will at least (or should according to the rules if the mods decide to go by the sites guidelines) be suspended for personal attacks and inciting arguments. I mean in one swoop he said Rockman was ignorant and not educated. On a different post he talked about Obama's America being black mobs all over america beating whites

In another thread I'm pretty sure he tried to use "eh" as a slur of sorts referring to the fact I'm Canadian.

[ALADOG]

I'm not sure how you missed it but here it is again:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendl...-nonreligious/

Yeah buddy.....32% according to Gallop are NON-Religious in the U.S....


This will probably be the last response I do to you, because I feel like you're not reading anything and you're just sticking to your ridiculous notions that have ZERO evidence.

The Treaty of Tripoli was signed by JOHN ADAMS who was President at the time and guess what else....he was one of our founding fathers!

While most of our founding fathers were indeed christian they also believed in a SECULAR government and the SCOTUS agrees with that realization.

Seriously bro, read up on this, you'll learn a thing or two.

It is time to stop beating my head against the wall as you have no intention of discussing the matter at hand. You have diligently studied the liberal's handbook and refuse to discuus anythig where you have no legitimate point to add.

[habsheaven]

And in another he insulted my intelligence and accused me of lieing and being a communist. Kurt cleaned up my response but his insults remain. He's quite the Christian, I must say.

[pghin08]

Truthfully, P&R has gotten so polarized that were I to take out the posts that question people's intelligence, there wouldn't be any posts/threads left.

[jessejordan419]

Nevermind you just told us how you feel. Per you if you are not a white male christian you are a second class citizen. Another fine graduate of rush limbaugh university. I'm done with it.

You're done because you are a quitter, and you have no argument. All you can do is lay false accusations.

As a matter of fact, I only partially ascribe to the thoughts of Rush Limbaugh, and usually, he is part of the problem. But you dish out baseless claims because you are not interested in debating the issue. All you want to do is accuse others and run because you have no argument, no facts, no intelligence that I can see, and when concrete facts and evidence are laid before you.....you quit.

[Wickabee]

Truthfully, P&R has gotten so polarized that were I to take out the posts that question people's intelligence, there wouldn't be any posts/threads left.

I question the intelligence of that post.

[pghin08]

I question the intelligence of that post.

Lol, from time to time, being the P&R manager is harder than my actual job.


Edit: Wickabee and Habs, I'm going through a presentation at work entitled "The Case for Canada, and there's a stat in here that says Canada is the most educated country in the world. Kudos!"