Major Panini fail

[Gibby]

A Neely I have seen the 'L' has the same problem.

[iidaemmi]

Oh, there really is more of them..
Yep, those ain't look good that's for sure.

Harri

[Yipper]

I don't find this a problem.

Nor is it a Panini fail. Upper Deck does the same.

Yeah, I understand, would look nicer if it was covered up like ITG.

But practicality is the issue. Simple: at this point, is it in their best interest to cover it up. Answer is: no.

Why? It's not even close to being cost efficient to do that for their products. They literally have hundreds of letters all cut differently because of the sweater. All they have to do right now, is punch it through a machine and makes the card uniform.

And hockey isn't the only sport they manage. Do it for one sport, have to do it for another eventually. Money adds up.

[MattDMC]

I don't find this a problem.

Nor is it a Panini fail. Upper Deck does the same.

Yeah, I understand, would look nicer if it was covered up like ITG.

But practicality is the issue. Simple: at this point, is it in their best interest to cover it up. Answer is: no.

Why? It's not even close to being cost efficient to do that for their products. They literally have hundreds of letters all cut differently because of the sweater. All they have to do right now, is punch it through a machine and makes the card uniform.

And hockey isn't the only sport they manage. Do it for one sport, have to do it for another eventually. Money adds up.

I'm going to both agree and disagree with this.

Yes it does cost money to make each card different sized for each letter so I can understand why it was done but at the same time if an Un-licensed company Like ITG can do it, Why can't one of the largest card companies on the planet do it? Surely Panini has to have a larger bank account than ITG and the cost for them to do what ITG does wouldn't probably even make a dent in their profits.

When your producing $200 boxes you should be able to afford to make the cards correcty sized for the swatch. This just seems kind of cheap and kind of lazy from Panini if you ask me. Just goes to show that that the little guys at ITG care about the customers and the cards they produce while the big guys don't care and just want your money but then again we have always known this anyway.

[jonpop]

I'm going to both agree and disagree with this.

Yes it does cost money to make each card different sized for each letter so I can understand why it was done but at the same time if an Un-licensed company Like ITG can do it, Why can't one of the largest card companies on the planet do it? Surely Panini has to have a larger bank account than ITG and the cost for them to do what ITG does wouldn't probably even make a dent in their profits.

When your producing $200 boxes you should be able to afford to make the cards correcty sized for the swatch. This just seems kind of cheap and kind of lazy from Panini if you ask me. Just goes to show that that the little guys at ITG care about the customers and the cards they produce while the big guys don't care and just want your money but then again we have always known this anyway.

+1.

When you are paying 200 bucks for a pack of this stuff, what does practicality have to do with it? They look like crap plain and simple. I'd send it back for something else.

[Yipper]

I'm going to both agree and disagree with this.

Yes it does cost money to make each card different sized for each letter so I can understand why it was done but at the same time if an Un-licensed company Like ITG can do it, Why can't one of the largest card companies on the planet do it? Surely Panini has to have a larger bank account than ITG and the cost for them to do what ITG does wouldn't probably even make a dent in their profits.

When your producing $200 boxes you should be able to afford to make the cards correcty sized for the swatch. This just seems kind of cheap and kind of lazy from Panini if you ask me. Just goes to show that that the little guys at ITG care about the customers and the cards they produce while the big guys don't care and just want your money but then again we have always known this anyway.

It's all about attention to detail.

Why does ITG to do this? They have to put forth every single plan, design, etc. in order to keep their customers buying. If they don't take that extra step then no one will buy ITG. Simple as that. They don't have any license so they need the extra kicker to make them unique or forward thinking.

ITG can also afford to produce a limited amount of a product. For Broad Street or Captain-C all they made was what? 1000-1500 cases? 1000 cases + additional cost for extra labour on a few cards does not remotely touch the 10,000 and more cases + labour to cut the cards or special print them at Panini or UD. Panini and UD also pay more for all those autos, patches, etc of the various players ITG cannot get. All that costs money.

ITG deals with a couple products a month, Panini, UD, Topps ... 10 + across all sports. Somethings are okay to sacrifice.

... don't forget, ITG only numbers a few of their products. I call that a bigger "fail" than not cutting a few cards to match the shape of the swatch.

I don't want to search up what a Black, Silver, Gold is numbered to. And they are almost always different too.




I'm just going to put this out there. There are also tons of players that both UD and ITG don't do or plan on including and those are the modern NHL players playing in the league that aren't a big name, big potential, hyped up in junior but no more potential, blah blah blah etc.

They have a variety. Players like Clutterbuck, Yip, Tootoo, ... etc. I compliment ITG for their vintage selection, but even more to Panini for the modern day selection.

I don't like how ITG use junior players to fill their high-end stuff. Your "fail" would be the same "fail" when ITG puts a 14-16 year old into a $200 product like Ultimate to fill spaces.

As much as I like Toews, Crosby, blah blah blah ... etc. I like the surprise of having "X" in the product. Oh interesting, can't believe "X" is in the product. Some people complain, but I'm quite bored seeing a billion Toews base in the products.

[Wickabee]

I do understand the problem many have with these. I, however, can't decide if I love them or hate them, but I like oddball stuff.

[flopfish]

It's all about attention to detail.

Why does ITG to do this? They have to put forth every single plan, design, etc. in order to keep their customers buying. If they don't take that extra step then no one will buy ITG. Simple as that. They don't have any license so they need the extra kicker to make them unique or forward thinking.

ITG can also afford to produce a limited amount of a product. For Broad Street or Captain-C all they made was what? 1000-1500 cases? 1000 cases + additional cost for extra labour on a few cards does not remotely touch the 10,000 and more cases + labour to cut the cards or special print them at Panini or UD. Panini and UD also pay more for all those autos, patches, etc of the various players ITG cannot get. All that costs money.

ITG deals with a couple products a month, Panini, UD, Topps ... 10 + across all sports. Somethings are okay to sacrifice.

I heavily agree with this.

[MattDMC]

It's all about attention to detail.

Why does ITG to do this? They have to put forth every single plan, design, etc. in order to keep their customers buying. If they don't take that extra step then no one will buy ITG. Simple as that. They don't have any license so they need the extra kicker to make them unique or forward thinking.

ITG can also afford to produce a limited amount of a product. For Broad Street or Captain-C all they made was what? 1000-1500 cases? 1000 cases + additional cost for extra labour on a few cards does not remotely touch the 10,000 and more cases + labour to cut the cards or special print them at Panini or UD. Panini and UD also pay more for all those autos, patches, etc of the various players ITG cannot get. All that costs money.

ITG deals with a couple products a month, Panini, UD, Topps ... 10 + across all sports. Somethings are okay to sacrifice.

... don't forget, ITG only numbers a few of their products. I call that a bigger "fail" than not cutting a few cards to match the shape of the swatch.

I don't want to search up what a Black, Silver, Gold is numbered to. And they are almost always different too.




I'm just going to put this out there. There are also tons of players that both UD and ITG don't do or plan on including and those are the modern NHL players playing in the league that aren't a big name, big potential, hyped up in junior but no more potential, blah blah blah etc.

They have a variety. Players like Clutterbuck, Yip, Tootoo, ... etc. I compliment ITG for their vintage selection, but even more to Panini for the modern day selection.

I don't like how ITG use junior players to fill their high-end stuff. Your "fail" would be the same "fail" when ITG puts a 14-16 year old into a $200 product like Ultimate to fill spaces.

As much as I like Toews, Crosby, blah blah blah ... etc. I like the surprise of having "X" in the product. Oh interesting, can't believe "X" is in the product. Some people complain, but I'm quite bored seeing a billion Toews base in the products.

Ok using the amount of products Panini puts out compared to what ITG puts out isn't really a fair comparison as most of the products Panini puts out doesn't have these letter mark cards. This and I believe Dominion (not sure if dominion does) are the only Panini products for hockey that have lettermarks and is also a limited production set like Broad Street Boys so the labor and production costs comparison doesn't really qualify when discussing these cards.

And I don't see how not numbering can be seen as worse than leaving half a card empty? I can look up the numbering on a card, I can't look up and fill the other half of an empty card. Would you buy a 2 liter of Coke if it was only half full? Why pay for a card that is only full?

As for the ITG putting 14-16 year old prospects into a $200 product thats not really a fail, ITG puts out checklists before products go live so if you don't want a 16 year old prospect don't buy it. Don't even see what this has to do with half empty swatch cards to begin with please stay with the topic at hand and not bring up irrelevant cards, If you want to bring up ITG at least bring up the same type of card (letter marks and nameplates).

I didn't intend for this thread to throw other companies under the bus I just brought this up to discuss the cards at hand and the lack of thought process/design/quality of them.

[Yipper]

Ok using the amount of products Panini puts out compared to what ITG puts out isn't really a fair comparison as most of the products Panini puts out doesn't have these letter mark cards. This and I believe Dominion (not sure if dominion does) are the only Panini products for hockey that have lettermarks and is also a limited production set like Broad Street Boys so the labor and production costs comparison doesn't really qualify when discussing these cards.

And I don't see how not numbering can be seen as worse than leaving half a card empty? I can look up the numbering on a card, I can't look up and fill the other half of an empty card. Would you buy a 2 liter of Coke if it was only half full? Why pay for a card that is only full?

As for the ITG putting 14-16 year old prospects into a $200 product thats not really a fail, ITG puts out checklists before products go live so if you don't want a 16 year old prospect don't buy it. Don't even see what this has to do with half empty swatch cards to begin with please stay with the topic at hand and not bring up irrelevant cards, If you want to bring up ITG at least bring up the same type of card (letter marks and nameplates).

I didn't intend for this thread to throw other companies under the bus I just brought this up to discuss the cards at hand and the lack of thought process/design/quality of them.

I understand what you mean. And definitely wasn't to say who is better or who is not.


Fact is this. You are saying ITG can do this and Panini can't.

First point, like I said. They have no choice in order to gain some competitive advantage.

Second point. Yes, production number does matter. Why would I hire an extra couple of guys, pay them $X to make sure each and every letter and card is cut perfectly.

If you didn't realize, money and time runs this world. Somethings make sense and others don't. If you come to me and say for a product of 1000 cases cost "X" amount of dollars and this much time to make it better versus a 10,000 cases product cost "X" amount of dollars and this time to make it better. I am pretty sure the 10,000 cases simply cost more than 1000 cases.

You don't look at a single card and calculate the extra cost. Companies have budget per product, not per card. But ultimately any larger produced product cost more money and time to make. ITG doesn't. They make a product appear anytime and however short-printed they want. They work on their own guidelines are not influenced by say... the NHL.

Time, money, and EVERYONE who complains that there are delays ultimately influence the final product.

Rather see the product a month earlier than a product delayed because you want them to cut it better.


Same applies, you aren't forced to buy this product either. Nor is there a set time frame on when you can buy the product. If you don't like the cutting, don't buy it lol ;)