Major Panini fail

[Drewk86a]

I agree that it looks bad, but as others have said: given the number of different jerseys/letters they used Panini would need hundreds of different cutting templates to mimic the ITG cards.

What's more offensive to me is the way they cut the sweaters with uneven fabric on either side. Look at the Koivu. Instead of cutting dtraight down the "I" on both sides they followed the shape of the "V" on the right side. That looks amatuerish. Oddly, they didn't do the same on the left side. Instead of making the cut in the shape of the "O", they simply cut stright down.

Bottom line is people are buying the product, so it's not a fail. It's a poor design choice that customer demand is willing to accept.

[MattDMC]

I understand what you mean. And definitely wasn't to say who is better or who is not.


Fact is this. You are saying ITG can do this and Panini can't.

First point, like I said. They have no choice in order to gain some competitive advantage.

Second point. Yes, production number does matter. Why would I hire an extra couple of guys, pay them $X to make sure each and every letter and card is cut perfectly.

If you didn't realize, money and time runs this world. Somethings make sense and others don't. If you come to me and say for a product of 1000 cases cost "X" amount of dollars and this much time to make it better versus a 10,000 cases product cost "X" amount of dollars and this time to make it better. I am pretty sure the 10,000 cases simply cost more than 1000 cases.

You don't look at a single card and calculate the extra cost. Companies have budget per product, not per card. But ultimately any larger produced product cost more money and time to make. ITG doesn't. They make a product appear anytime and however short-printed they want. They work on their own guidelines are not influenced by say... the NHL.

Time, money, and EVERYONE who complains that there are delays ultimately influence the final product.

Rather see the product a month earlier than a product delayed because you want them to cut it better.


Same applies, you aren't forced to buy this product either. Nor is there a set time frame on when can buy the product. If you don't like the cutting, don't buy it lol ;)

Let me try to rephrase my approach on quantity produced a little better as 10,000 panini cases to 1,000 ITG cases isn't what I meant as yes Panini produces more overall cases. When talking about these lettermark cards themselves, they are produced in very small numbers as they are all 1/1's to their respective letter. Its not like Panini is producing 10,000 cases of these miscut letters they are only producing a couple hundred cards the same as ITG is with Broad Street Boys and I would Imagine these will be in the new Superlative as well. The fact that Panini makes 10,000 cases of prime to ITG's 1,000 cases isn't really a comparison as we're talking about a small percentage of the respective print run with these cards in general.

You're really going to tell me that Panini doesn't have the time/effort/or cash to make a couple hundred cards look the way they are supposed to?

I'm just saying that over the last several years every single company that has produced cards has had these nameplates and never have they left half a card empty until now (unless I'm blind and missed them miscut in the past).

[Yipper]

As for the ITG putting 14-16 year old prospects into a $200 product thats not really a fail, ITG puts out checklists before products go live so if you don't want a 16 year old prospect don't buy it. Don't even see what this has to do with half empty swatch cards to begin with please stay with the topic at hand and not bring up irrelevant cards, If you want to bring up ITG at least bring up the same type of card (letter marks and nameplates).

My statement is perfectly fine.

A card is card, it doesn't matter what it is.

You statement was that you are paying $200 for a product and you get a card that isn't cut to your liking. How is paying $200 for a product and you get 14-16 year old signed or jersey card any different. And guess what the $200 ITG Ultimate pack has 3 cards. 1 base and who knows the other two can be scrubs like I said.

At least with $200 Prime product, you get the "letter card" as one of the 7.


ITS ABOUT MONEY, you can't have everything you like. I rather and I am sure a lot more would sacrifice a perfectly cut letter than replacing it with something else.

[Yipper]

Let me try to rephrase my approach on quantity produced a little better as 10,000 panini cases to 1,000 ITG cases isn't what I meant as yes Panini produces more overall cases. When talking about these lettermark cards themselves, they are produced in very small numbers as they are all 1/1's to their respective letter. Its not like Panini is producing 10,000 cases of these miscut letters they are only producing a couple hundred cards the same as ITG is with Broad Street Boys and I would Imagine these will be in the new Superlative as well. The fact that Panini makes 10,000 cases of prime to ITG's 1,000 cases isn't really a comparison as we're talking about a small percentage of the respective print run with these cards in general.

You're really going to tell me that Panini doesn't have the time/effort/or cash to make a couple hundred cards look the way they are supposed to?

I'm just saying that over the last several years every single company that has produced cards has had these nameplates and never have they left half a card empty until now (unless I'm blind and missed them miscut in the past).

Yes,

I am telling you that. They don't have time and money to make your perfectly cut 200 cards.

They go on a budget. Budget per product, not budget per card.

They treat all cards that are "hits" the same.

Simple as that.

There is no incentive for them to go above budget to satisfy their audiences...

They are company, why would I sacrifice my money so you can have a better cut card. Why would I give you an extra $1,000 + when it could be in my pocket.

You are questioning a very trivial matter.


Unless of course, you want your product to cost more and a longer delay.




Too many people complain about things like this when it doesn't matter. They look at the end product and tiny little "problem" and complain, whine, ...whatever you like to call it but never look at the costs to make that product as whole.

People are looking at this like a collector, you aren't looking at it as a business and company.



Btw, this is just a general discussion... I'm not referring to anyone but the general public.

[MattDMC]

My statement is perfectly fine.

A card is card, it doesn't matter what it is.

You statement was that you are paying $200 for a product and you get a card that isn't cut to your liking. How is paying $200 for a product and you get 14-16 year old signed or jersey card any different. And guess what the $200 ITG Ultimate pack has 3 cards. 1 base and who knows the other two can be scrubs like I said.

At least with $200 Prime product, you get the "letter card" as one of the 7.


ITS ABOUT MONEY, you can't have everything you like. I rather and I am sure a lot more would sacrifice a perfectly cut letter than replacing it with something else.

At least the $200 16 year old prospect is a full card that wasn't left half empty.

I'll take a quality made card of a potential nobody over a quality lacking half empty card of a star because to me the card missing half the jersey swatch is incomplete and not mint. To me thats garbage and I know there are other collectors that feel the same way.

Let's pretend there were two sets of Yip Name plates, 1 of them is miscut and has half empty swatches while the other had the card cut to properly fill the letter and avoid the empty gaps. What set are you going to try and go for and what set would you look at and go "that looks horrible""?

unfortunately though that isn't a fair question because as The Premiere Yip Collector you're going after both sets anyway

[MattDMC]

Yes,

I am telling you that. They don't have time and money to make your perfectly cut 200 cards.

They go on a budget. Budget per product, not budget per card.

They treat all cards that are "hits" the same.

Simple as that.

There is no incentive for them to go above budget to satisfy their audiences...

They are company, why would I sacrifice my money so you can have a better cut card. Why would I give you an extra $1,000 + when it could be in my pocket.

You are questioning a very trivial matter.


Unless of course, you want your product to cost more.




Too many people complain about things like this when it doesn't matter. They look at the end product and tiny little "problem" and complain, whine, ...whatever you like to call but never look at the costs to make that product as whole.



Btw, this is just a general discussion... I'm not referring to anyone but the general public.

Ok I'm glad you don't see this as a problem and support Panini cutting corners to line their pockets.

I just thought as a collector you would hate to see a half-ask incomplete card.

[Yipper]

Ok I'm glad you don't see this as a problem and support Panini cutting corners to line their pockets. I just thought as a collector you would hate to see a half-ask incomplete card.

They all cut corners, no denying. haha

As a collector, no... I want the best card possible.

However, as business individual and a fair person, you have to look from their sides as much as yours.

I'm just taking the perspective or view they may have.

At least the $200 16 year old prospect is a full card that wasn't left half empty.

You call it half empty.... other's call it "design" ;)

[MattDMC]

You call it half empty.... other's call it " lack of design" ;)

Fixed that for ya

They all cut corners, no denying. haha

As a collector, no... I want the best card possible.

However, as business individual and a fair person, you have to look at from their sides as much as yours.

I'm just taking the perspective or view they may have.

Well if we the collectors stand up and start calling them out on the cut corners and stand together maybe they will get the hint and quit cutting said corners but sitting here defending them so they can make more profit is only going to make them cut more corners and further hurt the hobby.

[centrehice]

And Pat Lafontaine to boot. Who collects that guy?

At least 4 members on here do. His stuff always sells on eBay and it sells better than Denis Potvin's stuff because he has love from Buffalo as well as Long Island.

[jonpop]

At least 4 members on here do. His stuff always sells on eBay and it sells better than Denis Potvin's stuff because he has love from Buffalo as well as Long Island.

I should have said " When you spend $200-500 bucks a pack, Pat Lafontaine and Denis Potvin are samples of the last people I want to see popping out of the packs".

Seriously, save these guys and Steve Shutt for the low end stuff.