Mass Immigration - Who Does it Help?

[mrveggieman]

exactly. a fair tax means anyone making money under the table (undocumented workers, criminals, gamblers, guys on ebay selling cards, and so on) pay their taxes when they purchase goods that are new.

Oh no, please no more taxes on ebay.

[tpeichel]

So we have 10 million illegals consuming services and paying no taxes. Let's look at how much we can hope to collect from someone supporting a family of 4 that is making minimum wage when we make them a citizen.

1880 hours in a year is pretty standard and at $10/hour we'll round up to an even $20,000 income for the year.

The government will collect no income tax and around $1500 from the individual and $1500 from the employer.

The government will refund the individual $1000 for each kid, plus a couple grand for the Earned Income Credit, so now the government is in the hole for these newly minted, low skill Americans.

We will stil be footing a yearly $3000 bil to educate each of the children. They will now qualify for food stamps which is a maximum of around $670/ month for a family of 4 in this finacial situation.

Plus, they will consume much more healthcare. I pay out of pocket right now and my bill is nearly $2,000/ month for a family of 4 and it is only going up. The Obamacare fine will come nowhere near covering what will be consumed.

Bottom line is that we will pay out instead of collect taxes from the low income amnestied illegals and they will be elgible to collect even more from our generous system.

[tpeichel]

You really are a fanboy if you think that things would have been any better under a republican president.

I agree for the most part but it doesn't make this government any less authoritarian.

[shrewsbury]

1880 hours in a year is pretty standard

so they don't work 40 hours per week?

2080 is the standard for a fulltime, 40 hours per week employee. and who pays only $28 in taxes per week? even at a 10% tax rate at $10 you are at $40!?

low income amnestied illegals

so all "illegals" only work minimum wage jobs and always will?

I think you may have stereotyped yourself into fear

[tpeichel]

The individual pays 7% of gross and the employer pays 7% of gross. They may withhold some for income tax but that will all get returned.

200 more hours would be $2000 so the government would collect $300 more; inconsequential when you look at the outlays.

I am aware that all immigrants will not be low income, but the majority will be. After all, don't liberals keep telling us we need them to do the menial labor because these are the jobs "Americans won't do"?

If they have attained a higher level of education, then they will be competing for jobs with our children who have taken on massive debt to get a college degree. How many will remain unemployed because the Democrats told you that we need to give these foreigners a chance?

[shrewsbury]

I do have issues with this, but I am unsure what the compromise should or could be.
We also have a million soldiers who will need jobs, do they take priority over regular civilians?

what would be your answer to solve this?

[centrehice]

What is Canada's largest group of immigrants? What percent of the population?

You'll have to point me to what you think I said about politics that is contradictory and I'll try to explain.

German decent would be among the largest, followed closely by Celts in the form or Scottish/Irish. There are more white American immigrants to Canada per year then there are Blacks or Latinos.

[tpeichel]

I am pretty sure the solution isn't to import 47 million foreigners to compete for jobs with them.

[centrehice]

Of that 47 million, you have about half of that that is in the work-force legally. So now you have a new Federal Income Tax base of 20 Million plus, new taxpayers.

That is how you have to look at it. In terms of taking jobs away from Americans? A 23 year old white American male would rather smoke week and eat Alpha-Getti than work for minimum wage.

[habsheaven]

German decent would be among the largest, followed closely by Celts in the form or Scottish/Irish. There are more white American immigrants to Canada per year then there are Blacks or Latinos.

I don't have any numbers to prove it, but I would suggest that Canada's fastest and largest immigrant population is Asian (mostly Chinese) and at least here in the Atlantic province we have a very large Middle Eastern immigrant population. The Celts, Scottish and Irish came before we were a country.