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    Maybe they think the Indians logo makes the team look stupid because people from India don't look like that.

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    I love how these Native Americans are so offended by the name "Redskins" but they take no offense at the Cleveland Indian logo which makes Native Americans look like doofus grinning morons. I think Snyder needs to give in to the empty-can movement and rename the team the "Washington Crybaby Liberals" since the only people who give a crap is a bunch of thin-skinned liberals who have nothing better to do with their pathetic lives than make a big deal over a small issue.

    So are you saying no Native Americans take offense to the Cleveland Indians logo?
    I'm sure there's a reason they've replaced half of their merchandise with "c" logo warez, and it's not ease of manufacturing. Although, some may consider it more embarrassing to the organization than anything else (interesting insight in this article/chat transcript: http://espn.go.com/otl/americans/harjochat.html)

    And when you say "the only people who give a crap is a bunch of thin-skinned liberals who have nothing better to do with their pathetic lives than make a big deal over a small issue. ", are you referring to Native Americans who've raised these complaints to the patents office in the past, since they seem to be the majority of who "gives a crap" in this particular example and article?

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    And when you say "the only people who give a crap is a bunch of thin-skinned liberals who have nothing better to do with their pathetic lives than make a big deal over a small issue. ", are you referring to Native Americans who've raised these complaints to the patents office in the past, since they seem to be the majority of who "gives a crap" in this particular example and article?

    perhaps they should be looking into the medical and social issues of their people rather than some football logo.

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    perhaps they should be looking into the medical and social issues of their people rather than some football logo.

    I don't think it's the logo they have a problem with. I think it's the derogatory word used as the team nickname they have a problem with.

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    They didn't just get approval from the Seminole tribe. The tribe was as proud to be associated with that school as anyone. If memory serves, they actually had representatives fighting with the school to keep the name. The thing is, it was a tribal name in honor of said tribe, not a derogatory term. Redskin is a derogatory term, AND lumps all tribes into the same group. I have the same problem with the Cleveland Indians, but don't think any government faction should be making this decision.

    yes they did. The tribe helped them bypass the NCAA rules. There is definitely a huge difference between the name seminoles and red skins.

    I was listening to someone on the radio on this discussion and the indiana chief wahoo logo came up and he said that the indians have distanced themselves from the logo in recent years. I know they went to the C on a lot of their uniforms but was looking around and found this article on yahoo.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/big-le...4357--mlb.html

    It seems like the C took over for the primary logo, but the chief is still on their home caps and sleeves. It also said they don't use him much at all at their spring training camp that's in Arizona. Seems to me that it's a win win. They don't have backlash for using a racial insensitive logo and get to sell new gear. Seems like Daniel Snider would be all about that with the red skins. I don't even think they would have to change much but their name and the skin tone of the native that is their logo.

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    I love how these Native Americans are so offended by the name "Redskins" but they take no offense at the Cleveland Indian logo which makes Native Americans look like doofus grinning morons. I think Snyder needs to give in to the empty-can movement and rename the team the "Washington Crybaby Liberals" since the only people who give a crap is a bunch of thin-skinned liberals who have nothing better to do with their pathetic lives than make a big deal over a small issue.

    They have come out against the chief wahoo logo in the past. Plus Cleveland has started to reduce it's use. That's not as good as ending it all together, but a step in the right direction. If you can't see that the term Red Skin is a horribly offensive term to call a name then I really don't know what to say. Go ahead and spout your cry baby liberal crap all you want. Just because someone agrees that it's offensive and shouldn't be an NFL team name doesn't mean their lives are pathetic. I do agree that the government doesn't really need to get involved, but the term red skin is offensive plain and simple. Anyone who can't see that is lying to themselves.

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    perhaps they should be looking into the medical and social issues of their people rather than some football logo.

    People can have more than one cause. Just because this is an issue doesn't mean it's the only one.

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    People can have more than one cause. Just because this is an issue doesn't mean it's the only one.

    and people are lazy and try to take the easy way out.
    How about priority?
    if you care about your people, then do something that has an impact. this will do nothing for the problems that affect the native americans, nothing.
    just like raising minimum wage to help with unemployment, it has no positive impact, but it looks like you care.

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    and people are lazy and try to take the easy way out.
    How about priority?
    if you care about your people, then do something that has an impact. this will do nothing for the problems that affect the native americans, nothing.
    just like raising minimum wage to help with unemployment, it has no positive impact, but it looks like you care.

    I don't understand the lazy comment.

    I do agree with you that there are more pressing issues for native americans, but I can not speak to what has a greater priority. I'd assume the redskins issues is not collectively their top concern. I don't think you can assume that the Redskins issue is the greatest concern just because it's a major topic in the news right now. I'm sure there are native americans who have it prioritized under many other pressing issues. I'd bet that quite a few tribes have very little equity in the desire to make the redskins change their names. It's shortsighted to think that because this is a major topic of discussion after the trademark was removed by the government that native americans aren't focused more on other problems or that there aren't native americans that are doing things to impact issues. It just isn't true that all they are focused on are the redskins issue.

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    I don't understand the lazy comment.

    people tend to take the easy path.
    want to look like you care? do the easiest thing to show it.

    It's shortsighted to think that because this is a major topic of discussion after the trademark was removed by the government that native americans aren't focused more on other problems or that there aren't native americans that are doing things to impact issues. It just isn't true that all they are focused on are the redskins issue.

    and I was speaking of these people, not all.

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