Hobby Lobby Wins!

[sanfran22]

So then you all agree that abortion should be legal?

That's what I've been saying. I'm anti-abortion but also pro choice. It should only have to be used for extreme cases. Women should never have to get one. They should feel morally obligated not to.

How can a doctor perform an abortion if it's illegal? They will be shipped off to jail.

It should not be legal as a form of birth control. It can be used if the mothers life would be in danger IMO.

[tpeichel]

I'd assume they didn't sign a contract. That aside, the fact that people can choose to work for another company isn't relevant in this situation. Hobby Lobby has been given preferential treatment because of a belief. To me that is not reason for them to be able to loophole the law while other corporations follow the law. It's not really even about the employee or even birth control, it's about one corporation getting preferential treatment over others.

Sure they sign a contract. They sign the papers accepting the healthcare, etc.

Companies get preferential treatment all the time, it usually is the President or Congress choosing the winners and losers though.

[gsj68]

I don't like the fact that the gov't is trampling on the constitution and/or lying about it. I don't like the fact that they are forcing companies and individuals to purchase a service, or that they are allowing gov't officials to spy on us citizens. Or the IRS/patent office/Justice dept are being used as a tool of control against those this administration doesn't like......

two totally different subjects

[tpeichel]

That's the point.

And I wasn't making a comparison between smoking and abortion in terms that they "kill"....

I was comparing how I can be Pro-choice for smoking but at the same time DISLIKE smoking.

I'm also Pro-choice for abortion even though I DISLIKE abortion as well.

But I'm not going to force a woman into doing something she doesn't want to do simply because I don't like it....that's dumb.

You have no problem forcing men to kill off there offspring if the woman doesn't want the baby. Screw their choice, they're only men.

[gsj68]

You don't see a different between Christians wanting to protect babies from being killed and Islamists wanting to flog rape victims if they can't produce multiple witnesses, hanging people for being homosexuals, "honor killings" or murdering individuals for apostasy?

i believe,dont know,that this covers contraception and not abortion and im all for prevention
and if you give a religious entity and inch they will take a mile and since it looks like anyone can get a group together to make a religious...

[sanfran22]

two totally different subjects

No it's not.It all goes back to rights and the gov'ts involvement in such.

[sanfran22]

Sure they sign a contract. They sign the papers accepting the healthcare, etc.

Companies get preferential treatment all the time, it usually is the President or Congress choosing the winners and losers though.

Yep, didn't the Pres give waivers for this healthcare debacle to some companies? How is that legal if this is the "law of the land"?? Every company/state should sue.

[Star_Cards]

Sure they sign a contract. They sign the papers accepting the healthcare, etc.

Companies get preferential treatment all the time, it usually is the President or Congress choosing the winners and losers though.

oh you mean the healthcare contract.

again, the fact of the matter is not about the employees options it all about a corporation getting out of a law because of it's so called religious view when others have to follow them. I found a good list of other medical themed items that corporations should be able to get out of offering through their mandated medical coverage... [blood transfusions (Jehovah's Witnesses); antidepressants (Scientologists); medications derived from pigs, including anesthesia, intravenous fluids, and pills coated with gelatin (certain Muslims, Jews, and Hindus)]

Outside of the medical side of this it seems like there are way more things that corporations can get out of if they say it's against their religious beliefs. To me religious beliefs shouldn't apply to corporate rules. They are for profit companies and shouldn't get preferential treatment.

I agree, companies already get preferential treatment mostly through lobby and politicians passing laws based off of campaign funds and not the good of the country. That's something that needs to be altered and is just as shady if not more. It's one of the main reasons why things are out of whack with the system. Adding another way, by using religious belief, doesn't help the situation.

[Star_Cards]

Yep, didn't the Pres give waivers for this healthcare debacle to some companies? How is that legal if this is the "law of the land"?? Every company/state should sue.

Other companies shouldn't have gotten them either. I'm not aware of specifics as to why and how they did, but they should be in the same boat as hobby lobby.

[JustAlex]

She has the ultimate power in whether she will become pregnant or not. I don't think abortion should be used as a from of birth control, sorry....

I don't like it either.....but it's not up to me or you what another human can and can't do with their bodies.

It's THEIR body and they can do as they please....sorry.