Obama Promises Higher Emissions Reduction In Less Time Than China

[shrewsbury]

You think all the good this man has done is cancelled out because he lets his other head do the thinking now and again.
You think Obama hasn't tried to fix all that is troubling America

yes and no

How well would YOU do if the people you have to work with are hell bent on letting you accomplish nothing?

I would not be in that situation, he created it.

Things have changed more in the past 200 years than they have in the first 4 billion. That's a FACT.

yes, but not climate wise.

The friend I speak of IS a scientist. He has forgotten more than you or I will ever know. It is not his "good intentions" that make him right, it is his intelligence and expertise in the field.

I figured he was. But those scientists that disagree have no expertise or intelligence?

Educated guesses do not equal fact

[habsheaven]

http://berkeleyearth.org/summary-of-findings

I do not consider 95% uncertainty as fact.

Did you even look at those charts which you conveniently extracted the "95% uncertainty" quip from?

Notice the size of that grey uncertainty band as they get closer to present day? Notice the direction the graphs are heading? Too funny.

[habsheaven]

yes and no



I would not be in that situation, he created it.



yes, but not climate wise.



I figured he was. But those scientists that disagree have no expertise or intelligence?

Educated guesses do not equal fact

I am sure they do but unfortunately they let their bias over rule sound thought. Next your going to claim that the "Creationist" scientists are intelligent too.

[gsj68]

this is stupid all the way around

first,why bring climate in to it? just say"lowering pollution" and everyones cool with that

second,the earth has been through cooling/warming cycle before,last time it was warm enough to grow enough food for elephants to live in siberia,so we have plenty of warming to go to get to that

third,plants love co2 its what they breath to make o2

fourth,did you know that for a while now gas powered vehicles are reaching near zero emissions,heck early 70's hondas where so efficient that they didnt need emissions to meet u.s. regulations

fifth,oil is 100% natural and the earth is still making it

[deansayso]

this is stupid all the way around

first,why bring climate in to it? just say"lowering pollution" and everyones cool with that

second,the earth has been through cooling/warming cycle before,last time it was warm enough to grow enough food for elephants to live in siberia,so we have plenty of warming to go to get to that

third,plants love co2 its what they breath to make o2

fourth,did you know that for a while now gas powered vehicles are reaching near zero emissions,heck early 70's hondas where so efficient that they didnt need emissions to meet u.s. regulations

fifth,oil is 100% natural and the earth is still making it

1 - Exactly!
2 - Exactly! We are still in an Ice Age right now.
3 - Exactly!
4 - Exactly! The new diesel tractors and trucks have emission controls in place
5 - Exactly! But don't tell my English Professor at college that! I already had that argument with him...

[habsheaven]

this is stupid all the way around

first,why bring climate in to it? just say"lowering pollution" and everyones cool with that

Yes, let's use a different catch phrase. How about; "invest in your future"? That will get GOP support.

second,the earth has been through cooling/warming cycle before,last time it was warm enough to grow enough food for elephants to live in siberia,so we have plenty of warming to go to get to that

The problem is the RATE at which it is increasing.

third,plants love co2 its what they breath to make o2

Plants love water too. I wonder what happens when they get too much?

fourth,did you know that for a while now gas powered vehicles are reaching near zero emissions,heck early 70's hondas where so efficient that they didnt need emissions to meet u.s. regulations

How long before the factories are too?

fifth,oil is 100% natural and the earth is still making it

So? Is it 100% natural to burn it in the quantities that it is being burnt?

Got anything relevant?

[GroundSupport]

Do you believe in Global Climate Change?

Do you see Global Climate Change?

[deansayso]

Do you see Global Climate Change?

No

[GroundSupport]

Your hatred of Obama and Clinton show your true character.

Ever heard of the Clinton Global Initiative? You think all the good this man has done is cancelled out because he lets his other head do the thinking now and again.
You think Obama hasn't tried to fix all that is troubling America. How well would YOU do if the people you have to work with are hell bent on letting you accomplish nothing?

Let me guess, Boehner and O'Connell have done a great job since Obama came into office.

The friend I speak of IS a scientist. He has forgotten more than you or I will ever know. It is not his "good intentions" that make him right, it is his intelligence and expertise in the field.

Yes, the Earth has warmed and cooled over it's entire existence. No one disputes that. The FACT is, over its entire existence the Earth hasn't been subjected to the Industrialized Age. Things have changed more in the past 200 years than they have in the first 4 billion. That's a FACT.

Dang, I guess we went through multiple dinosaur extinctions in the past 200 years.

How many life extinction capable astroids/comet earth impacts have we had in the past 200 years?

None!

THATS A FACT! BECAUSE I SAY IT IS!

[shrewsbury]

Did you even look at those charts which you conveniently extracted the "95% uncertainty" quip from?

Notice the size of that grey uncertainty band as they get closer to present day? Notice the direction the graphs are heading? Too funny.

you just verified what I said, old data does not exist, the data they theorized has a 95% uncertainty rate.

you said yourself the climate has always changed, so how would we know this is not another natural change?

even if some of it is manmade (which I am sure it is) there is not way to tell how much is.

oh, your friend told you.