The cup

[jddj]

your right it should be based on skill, also tavares rookie season wasnt spectacular, look at niemi's for example, stanley cup, 7 shutouts.

Dont mean to take shots at you or anything, but if cards were priced with skill in mind, Niemi's would probably go down. He is not that good. He had some great games and made some spectacular save along the way, but you put in almost any other goalie in the leauge in net with that team and they most likely win the cup last year.

[howethegreat]

Dont mean to take shots at you or anything, but if cards were priced with skill in mind, Niemi's would probably go down. He is not that good. He had some great games and made some spectacular save along the way, but you put in almost any other goalie in the leauge in net with that team and they most likely win the cup last year.

idn about that remember when huet was in net

[jddj]

idn about that remember when huet was in net

Haha, very true, but look where he is now too.

People are saying price is over priced (which he may be), but with him in net for the hawks last year they would have still won.

Just trying to say a player shouldnt be seen as good because they win the cup on a good team. If he has a soild year the next couple of years then maybe

[jibron86]

hi there

i think it all has to do with the BIRTH, SKILL, MEDIA, & TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENTS. i think it is a combination of the 4 if ovechkin was Canadian and even if he did not win the cup his cards would have been double the value of crosby in my opinion. if u compare ovechkin & crosby the only thing missing from ovechkin is THE CUP & where they are from. i personally i think ovechkin should more valuable because ovechkin has won pretty much everything a single person can win in hockey THE CUP takes team effort not the effort of a single person but that is not to say crosby is not a great player he is one of the best but ovechkin i think puts out more than crosby. now going on to tavares i think he is capable of alot but it may take sometime i think it is too early to tell because if we are going to compare talent & value stamkos did not have 100 point in his rookie year nor did he win rookie of the year considering that so far tavares is equal to stamkos. but tavares is not exactly in a Stanley Cup team either.

thanks johnnaseri

[howethegreat]

hi there

i think it all has to do with the BIRTH, SKILL, MEDIA, & TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENTS. i think it is a combination of the 4 if ovechkin was Canadian and even if he did not win the cup his cards would have been double the value of crosby in my opinion. if u compare ovechkin & crosby the only thing missing from ovechkin is THE CUP & where they are from. i personally i think ovechkin should more valuable because ovechkin has won pretty much everything a single person can win in hockey THE CUP takes team effort not the effort of a single person but that is not to say crosby is not a great player he is one of the best but ovechkin i think puts out more than crosby. now going on to tavares i think he is capable of alot but it may take sometime i think it is too early to tell because if we are going to compare talent & value stamkos did not have 100 point in his rookie year nor did he win rookie of the year considering that so far tavares is equal to stamkos. but tavares is not exactly in a Stanley Cup team either.

thanks johnnaseri

nicely written

[CrosbyIsKing]

hi there

i think it all has to do with the BIRTH, SKILL, MEDIA, & TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENTS. i think it is a combination of the 4 if ovechkin was Canadian and even if he did not win the cup his cards would have been double the value of crosby in my opinion. if u compare ovechkin & crosby the only thing missing from ovechkin is THE CUP & where they are from. i personally i think ovechkin should more valuable because ovechkin has won pretty much everything a single person can win in hockey THE CUP takes team effort not the effort of a single person but that is not to say crosby is not a great player he is one of the best but ovechkin i think puts out more than crosby. now going on to tavares i think he is capable of alot but it may take sometime i think it is too early to tell because if we are going to compare talent & value stamkos did not have 100 point in his rookie year nor did he win rookie of the year considering that so far tavares is equal to stamkos. but tavares is not exactly in a Stanley Cup team either.

thanks johnnaseri

Really, I watch hockey and Crosby backchecks, takes and dominates faceoffs, has Gretzky's vision and can deke multiple players at a time and score.( things OVechkin can't do.) O yeah and does OVI even know where his own blue line is? Yes, it takes a team, but when your captain does not have any idea what to do to go far in the playoffs (lacking the first pass capabilities and team concept)then the whole team fails(WSH is far more talented then PITTS anyways, so what are you talking about?) Hence Crosby destroying the Ottawa Senators and Washington Capitals by himself. That is why Crosby will always be better, just because OVI shot more in his career and scored more definably does not make him better. Just look at the two instances Crosby shot more and played goal scorer, head to head against OVI in the playoffs and came out on top. He also won the rocket taking 70 less shots then OVI. SO i think if Crosby wanted to put up 50 every year, he would have no problem doing so. OVI is a better pure goal scorer, 1 on 1 player and hitter though.

And why do you say thanks? You didn't gain anything.

[mugmasher]

We can debate the merits of beckett, and how accurate their prices are..... but on-ice performance should not, and never has been a factor in determining price.

If beckett started raising their values because a player
is doing well, or was elected to the HOF - would they not then be setting the value of cards, rather than reporting them (which is what they're supposed to do)?

The whole "this player did <<insert something spectacular>>, so his cards should go up in value" argument caries no weight with me. Prices are set by demand, and demand alone. On ice performance will factor into demand - but it's not the only factor.

This is the same reason why Crosby sells for double what Ovechkin does. Doesn't matter who the better player is - Crosby is not TWICE as good as OV. But his cards are in much higher demand.

Carey Price hasn't been great in a couple of years, yet the fans in Montreal continue to buy up his stuff - so prices stay fairly high.

Halak? He can win the Vezina this year, and nobody will care becuase he's in St. Louis. He may as well be Ilya Bryzgalov.

You're the greatest defenceman of your generation, and argubly on of the best 5 ever? You've won four Cups, and practically own the Norris trophy? Sorry Lidstrom.... you're never going to sell that well becuase A) You play the least loved position, and B) You're European.

What do you want Beckett to do? Openly make up prices, and tell us all what we 'should' be paying?

+1 !!!! you are 100% correct!!!

[mugmasher]

hi there

i think it all has to do with the BIRTH, SKILL, MEDIA, & TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENTS. i think it is a combination of the 4 if ovechkin was Canadian and even if he did not win the cup his cards would have been double the value of crosby in my opinion. if u compare ovechkin & crosby the only thing missing from ovechkin is THE CUP & where they are from. i personally i think ovechkin should more valuable because ovechkin has won pretty much everything a single person can win in hockey THE CUP takes team effort not the effort of a single person but that is not to say crosby is not a great player he is one of the best but ovechkin i think puts out more than crosby. now going on to tavares i think he is capable of alot but it may take sometime i think it is too early to tell because if we are going to compare talent & value stamkos did not have 100 point in his rookie year nor did he win rookie of the year considering that so far tavares is equal to stamkos. but tavares is not exactly in a Stanley Cup team either.

thanks johnnaseri

YOU DA MAN!!!!!! AND THAT'S NOT BECAUSE I AM AN OVY FAN FOR LIFE EITHER!!!! I TOTALLY AGREE 100%..

[howethegreat]

he has the best shot of any person in the nhl to break many of gretzky's record.

[Inferno]

What do you want Beckett to do? Openly make up prices, and tell us all what we 'should' be paying?

Wait, they DON'T do this?