Mass Immigration - Who Does it Help?

[tpeichel]

Somalis in Minnesota (when they aren't back in the middle east getting training):

Twenty-nine people have been indicted in a sex trafficking ring spanning three states and allegedly run by Minneapolis-based Somali gangs. An indictment unsealed Monday in U.S. District Court in Nashville says one of the goals of the gangs was to recruit females under age 18, including some under age 14, and force them into prostitution in exchange for cash, drugs or other items. The indictment says the sex ring operated in Minneapolis, Nashville, and Columbus, Ohio.

[tpeichel]

Do you want to fill the prisons or the federal coffers with Income Tax money?, that is the decision. Right now you are filling the prisons, and spending upwards of 175 Million in deportation costs.

You do realize that 50% of taxpayers do not pay any income tax?

[tpeichel]

Mexican beheadings:
This month has been perhaps the worst in terms of decapitations.

In the past 10 days alone, there have been an unprecedented 81 beheaded bodies discovered in the country.

In early May, 14 decapitated bodies were found in Nuevo Laredo, just over the border from Texas.

Last week, 18 bodies and severed heads were left in two mini-vans near Lake Chapala, an area popular with tourists in western Mexico.

Finally, in one of the most shocking incidents of its kind since the current drug war began, 49 headless and mutilated bodies were left in plastic bags on a road outside the industrial city of Monterrey.

[tpeichel]

Beheading in a Saudi Arabian parking lot:
Shocking footage has surfaced of a Sudanese man being publicly beheaded in Saudi Arabia for being a 'sorcerer'.

Crouched on his knees and blindfolded, Abdul Hamid Bin Hussain Bin Moustafa al-Fakki was executed in a car park Medina, in the west of the country, as dozens looked on last month.

The grainy footage - which MailOnline believes is too graphic to publish - shows the executioner lining his sword up on the back of Abdul Hamid's neck, before one swift stroke decapitates him.

[tpeichel]

The story points out that they did closely follow the rules.
Rizana Nafeek, a young nanny from Sri Lanka, was beheaded by sword this week in Saudi Arabia, punishment for allegedly killing a baby in 2007 when she was believed to be just 17.
The execution has spurred international outcry, given Nafeek's age at the time of the incident and her limited access to a defense attorney. The beheading has also shined a light on the Arab kingdom's medieval system of punishment, which includes cutting the hands off thieves, executing women accused of adultery, and flogging men accused of being gay.
Few details of Nafeek's execution have leaked from the country's tightly controlled media, but the interior ministry said her head was severed from her body in public in Dawadmy, a dusty suburb of the capital Riyadh.
In modern times, women in saudi Arabia condemned to death were traditionally executed by gunfire, but in recent years they have routinely been beheaded, an historic form of execution ordered under sharia, or the Muslim religious law that governs the country.
The death penalty is routinely allowed for criminals convicted of murder, rape, armed robbery, drug trafficking or drug use, and apostasy or the renunciation of the Islamic faith, according to human rights group Amnesty International.
Some 82 executions were carried out in Saudi Arabia last year, according to Amnesty. It is unknown how many of them were women or carried out by sword, but the majority of the condemned were foreigners, like Nafeek.
Beheadings in Saudi Arabia are governed by certain rules.
They are conducted in public, typically in town squares or near prisons. The condemned, as well as the executioner, typically wear white. The convict is blindfolded, handcuffed and often given a sedative. A plastic tarp, several feet wide, is sometimes spread out around the convict to make cleaning up the blood and recovering her head easier.
The heads of the condemned can sometimes roll several feet from the body, said Saudi Arabia's leading executioner in a rare 2003 interview with Saudi newspaper Arab News.
"The criminal was tied and blindfolded. With one stroke of the sword I severed his head. It rolled meters away," said executioner Muhammad Saad al-Beshi, recalling his first beheading.
Al-Beshi said he has executed as many as 10 people in one day, by sword and by bullet.
"It depends what they ask me to use. Sometimes they ask me to use a sword and sometimes a gun. But most of the time I use the sword," he said.
He said he keeps his sword razor sharp, and allows his children to help clean it.
"People are amazed how fast it can separate the head from the body," he said.

Executioners like Al-Beshi are trained professionals who also carry out amputations, severing the hands, feet and tongues, of convicted criminals.

The executioner said it is not uncommon for spectators to pass out at a beheading.

"There are many people who faint when they witness an execution. I don't know why they come and watch if they don't have the stomach for it," he said.

The goal of the executions is to provide justice to the victims' families, said Brian Evans, director of the Amnesty's death penalty abolition campaign. As a result, a victim's family is allowed to call off the execution at the last minute.

"There is always a dramatic moment where the victim's family has to give the OK, a thumbs up or thumbs down," said Evans.

[Wickabee]

I'm not sure how to help you because the difference between civilized and uncivilized is pretty easy. Does this seem civilized or uncivilized to you?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2...murder-capitalLatin America is riddled with crime, and no place is more violent than Honduras. It has just 8 million people, but with as many as 20 people killed there every day, it now has the highest murder rate in the world.

It would be easy to blame drug trafficking. Honduras and its Central American neighbors have long served as a favored smuggling corridor for South American cocaine headed north to the U.S.

But there are a number of factors that have contributed to Honduras' out-of-control killings. It involves not only geography but gangs and a government teetering on the edge of collapse.


In this violent country, the most violent city is San Pedro Sula, where more than 1,200 people were killed last year.

The outskirts of town are the roughest part. We were told that the safest time to drive there is in the early morning when the gangs are still asleep.
As we enter the neighborhood of Rivera Hernandez, our driver tells us we should roll down our tinted windows so that people can see us. If they can't get a glimpse of us, it will make them more suspicious.
He also crosses himself a couple of times as we enter the colonia, or neighborhood.
Gangs fight viciously for territory here. Caught in the middle are residents who pay them so-called taxes, for everything from a safe bus ride to running a small shop.

Again, no actual definition just "I'll tell you which ones". What makes you the authority and why are you so against giving parameters so others can make up their own minds as to this definition instead of just taking your word for everything? Stuff like that makes it look like you're talking out your rectum. More telling though, again, absolutely nothing about violence in "white" countries. The same things happen all over the place, but you're only worried about the ones with different skin. Don't worry, I won't be back in here again. Have fun talking to yourself (a full page, impressive) and overloading a thread with stuff no one will read for the sheer amount posted all at once, yet not all at once. Back when I was a mod of another site, we called that "stat padding" and while it's not really sinister in any way, it does stifle conversation and create hostility with the forum. I'm not talking about posting 2 or 3 in a row, but this rant is ridiculous. Presentation does count for something, and I don't listen to things said out of anger and hatred.

[tpeichel]

If you wanted the dictionary definition of uncivilized, you could have looked it up yourself. It was a silly request, so I provided numerous examples (which did include "white" countries) since you seemed to be unable to take my word for it.

In all your posts, you never addressed my main concern with mass migration. You never refuted my economic concerns and instead focused on calling me a racist and held up Canada as an example of how mass immigration works, which I clearly disproved.

Until the USA can educate and employ the citizens we currently have and has a system that filters out dangerous and extremist immigrants, I will continue to speak out against any further immigration.

[centrehice]

You are never going to get immigrants to proscribe to the Protestant White past behaviour of US Citizens based on an English Speaking Anglo-Saxon origin. It's just not feasible.

Celebrate America and it's diversity, don't demand assimilation based on previous white lifestyle..

[Wickabee]

If you wanted the dictionary definition of uncivilized

No. I want your definition of an uncivilized country. So far you've really only described skin color, since the behaviours you speak of are worldwide but you will only mention Brown and Black. Again, define uncivilized country. I know you aren't misunderstanding me. I know you're avoiding answering at all. I know you know you're wrong and I know you know you're talking about race, not civilized or non.

[Wickabee]

Though, since you asked (funny, even the US doesn't fit this bill from Dictionary.com)civ·i·lize

/ˈsɪvəˌlaɪz/ Show Spelled [siv-uh-lahyz] Show IPA , verb (used with object), civ·i·lized, civ·i·liz·ing. to bring out of a savage, uneducated, or rude state;