The difference today

[Rockman]

IT SHOULD BE.... THEY BROKE THE LAW.... i dont understand where people think they should have rights... i wish i lived in arizona near the tent city.. They should be make examples of and maybe some of the little crap that goes on wouldnt happen. I live in the Meth capital of the midwest..... all the time there are people getting busted for multiple charges... they spend a month in jail... get out.... and we read about them 2 months later getting busted again.... They shouldnt have soft couches.... they shouldnt have tv... they shouldnt drink anything but water.... If you are for changing the law that is one thing... i tend to agree with you on less sentencing for drug use and minor offenses... but if we are calling the law the law anyone who breaks it should pay for it...

Tutall, I believe you live in Indiana....I could be wrong, any way if that is the case I have a couple questions.

Have you ever done any of these things.

stand in a bar, receive a drink on the house, carry a cocktail from the bar to a table, drink from your own bottle in a bar, gossip or talk behind a persons back, or work less than 6 days a year on a public road since turning 18?

Because if so you have broken the law in Indiana, and based on what you are saying, you should not have T.V, shouldn't drink anything but water, and you should spend a period of time in an empty cell in jail.

Edit: And according to GrimUSMC you are a criminal and can not be rehabilitated.

[ensbergcollector]

you do realize that 93% of all prisoners are eventually released back into society? So while they are there, we should make them forget that they are actually human? I would say you're preferred treatment would lead to more reoffenders.

I agree jail is about punishment, but the other part of jail that nobody thinks about is rehabiliation. GrimUSMC doesn't even think rehabiliation is possible. How are we going to correct the ills of society if we all think of is punishment & war? That's all you guys spew.

And where do you get the idea that there are soft couches in jail? You specifically are the one who got me into all this saying jail is not hard enough, it's a vacation, and has comfortable furniture...when i asked you for proof, all you said was show me proof it isn't....good one sir



ensberg, you are missing the point...badly

actually I am not missing the point. We have had threads on everything from religion, to the war, to drugs, to prison and no one has ever said you had to have first hand experience to have an opinion. For what it is worth, I do see your point. If I were deciding who to listen to, I would listen to someone who had been to prison over someone who didn't. However, I wouldn't discount that persons opinion. I know people who have spent plenty of time in prison as inmates and have spent some time there myself doing prison ministry. While I don't claim first hand knowledge, I do think I can have an educated opinion.

[jaybird_1981]

Tutall, I believe you live in Indiana....I could be wrong, any way if that is the case I have a couple questions.

Have you ever done any of these things.

stand in a bar, receive a drink on the house, carry a cocktail from the bar to a table, drink from your own bottle in a bar, gossip or talk behind a persons back, or work less than 6 days a year on a public road since turning 18?

Because if so you have broken the law in Indiana, and based on what you are saying, you should not have T.V, shouldn't drink anything but water, and you should spend a period of time in an empty cell in jail.

Edit: And according to GrimUSMC you are a criminal and can not be rehabilitated.

This is pretty weak.

[RedGoneWILD]

actually I am not missing the point. We have had threads on everything from religion, to the war, to drugs, to prison and no one has ever said you had to have first hand experience to have an opinion. For what it is worth, I do see your point. If I were deciding who to listen to, I would listen to someone who had been to prison over someone who didn't. However, I wouldn't discount that persons opinion. I know people who have spent plenty of time in prison as inmates and have spent some time there myself doing prison ministry. While I don't claim first hand knowledge, I do think I can have an educated opinion.

but what you're missing is that you aren't calling it a vacation. For the fifth time, you may have any opinion you want. I'm not saying you can't...

but if your opinion is that jail isn't tough or that it's a vacation, i'm gonna call you out on your BS, because that's what it is....BS

and I will discount ANYBODY's opinion who speaks of something as if they have personally experienced it (what else can you possibly be saying when you call it easy, a vacation and comfortable) when they really don't have any knowledge of the subject...

I also notice nobody has mentioned the fact I pointed out for profit jails in America, which apparently a page ago nobody had any idea they existed

[ensbergcollector]

but what you're missing is that you aren't calling it a vacation. For the fifth time, you may have any opinion you want. I'm not saying you can't...

but if your opinion is that jail isn't tough or that it's a vacation, i'm gonna call you out on your BS, because that's what it is....BS

and I will discount ANYBODY's opinion who speaks of something as if they have personally experienced it (what else can you possibly be saying when you call it easy, a vacation and comfortable) when they really don't have any knowledge of the subject...

I also notice nobody has mentioned the fact I pointed out for profit jails in America, which apparently a page ago nobody had any idea they existed

for what it's worth, I knew about for profit jails. I haven't decided how I feel about them. In order to have a problem, we would have to assume that people are being put in there even though they are innocent just so someone can make a profit.

[GrimUSMC]

why do you think our prison population is so high in America? Why are we the most imprisoned country in the world?

More & More prisons are becoming privatized with the intent of turning a profit...You have the Corrections Corporation of America which operates over 60 facilities, You have the GEO Group, and you have the Cornell Companies Inc who operates 71 facilities in 15 states. These 3 companies all had revenues over a billion dollars last year and all 3 posted gains today on the NYSE.

and ensberg, NO you do not have to experience something to have an opinion...but if you have the balls to say jail is a vacation with nice furniture and comfortable beds, i'm gonna call you out on it. And if you've never spent a night in jail, I'd like to know where you are getting your information from....fair enough?

Jail is one of the must humiliating, dehumanizing, soul shattering experiences any person can experience. I take great offense to anybody who thinks that jail is a place to relax and enjoy a vacation from your responsibilities.

For anybody who's seen me posting on here since last summer, you will know that one of my main issues with America is the prison population. It needs to be decreased dramatically through more selective prosecution, fairer sentences, and decriminilazation of victimless crimes such as prostitution and personal drug use.

First off Red, I will say I agree on your stance of victimless crimes. I have said from the begining that rehabilitaion is nto possible in REPEAT VIOLENT OFFENDERS, not the dumb kid that shoplifted a bottle of Cologne.

Now, as for sayign personal drug use is a victimless crime is nto a true statement. Drug use is probably the single biggest community destroyer. It causes poverty and has destroyed neighborhoods, so it is far from victimless.

Tutall, I believe you live in Indiana....I could be wrong, any way if that is the case I have a couple questions.

Have you ever done any of these things.

stand in a bar, receive a drink on the house, carry a cocktail from the bar to a table, drink from your own bottle in a bar, gossip or talk behind a persons back, or work less than 6 days a year on a public road since turning 18?

Because if so you have broken the law in Indiana, and based on what you are saying, you should not have T.V, shouldn't drink anything but water, and you should spend a period of time in an empty cell in jail.

Edit: And according to GrimUSMC you are a criminal and can not be rehabilitated.

That is very weak, and only people without a valid point or good argument go to extremes like this.

[Rockman]

O.k you guys are missing my point....

You're making everything in this thread black and white, when there is indeed a gray area. Just because you are in jail does not mean you are automatically a bad person, it does not mean you can not be rehabilitated, it does not mean you should be 100% removed from society and never have a chance to rejoin.

Some of you guys think jails are over populated because it's to cushy and people have no problem going.... When really it has more to do with the laws people are put in jail for.

[Yanksfan396]

The above is 100% correct. Imprisonment seems to be the answer to every crime. We need to find alternatives.

[jaybird_1981]

The above is 100% correct. Imprisonment seems to be the answer to every crime. We need to find alternatives.

No one said that you should go to prison for every crime.

Prison should be reserved for more violent criminals and they should not have a cushy stay.

[GrimUSMC]

O.k you guys are missing my point....

You're making everything in this thread black and white, when there is indeed a gray area. Just because you are in jail does not mean you are automatically a bad person, it does not mean you can not be rehabilitated, it does not mean you should be 100% removed from society and never have a chance to rejoin.

Some of you guys think jails are over populated because it's to cushy and people have no problem going.... When really it has more to do with the laws people are put in jail for.

if your a repeat violent offender, yes it does. You should never be allowed in society again. You commit a violent crime, you get one shot at rehabilitation, then your done, I dont care how sorry you are. We tollerate too much violence because we dotn have the stomach, and everyone seems to be a bleeding heart liberal.