Study claims 'highly engineered explosive' found in WTC rubble

[OnePimpTiger]

JeRmZ, this is just for you

Study claims 'highly engineered explosive' found in WTC rubble

A team of scientists claim to have unearthed startling data from dust and debris gathered in the days and weeks after the World Trade Center towers collapsed on Sept. 11, 2001.

In a study published by the Open Chemical Physics Journal -- a peer-reviewed, scientific publication -- Steven E. Jones and Niels Harrit level a stark allegation: that within the dust and rubble of the World Trade Center towers lays evidence of "a highly engineered explosive," contrary to all federal studies of the collapses.

Please read the whole story if you're going to try to discuss this...it's pretty in depth and I can't post it all here. It's interesting to say the least.

[JeRmZ]

lol ... thanks OnePimp, I hope Red get's in on this one too because I know him and I share similar views on 9-11.

OK ... my take.

There were reports that came out in 04 that trace amounts of thermite were found amongst the rubble of the WTC. Many people claimed (even our government) that since these were steel buildings and required welding, that the thermite might have been present due to the construction. The problem with that is the findings from Jones and Harritt say that this "Super Thermite" they discovered was one that is is "Highly engineered and not readily available to just anyone" ...

"The cost and production rate of super-thermite composites has limited the use of these materials in DoD applications," claims the Navy's SBIR.

So if this were the case and the thermite was present, it definitely wasn't there because of construction.

Why was it there? This could go hand in hand with the multiple explosions heard by many people on 9-11. Witnesses ranginfrom firemen and police to your average joe standing on the road at the time have all claimed they heard Multiple explosions before the tower collapsed.

sorry ... I edited out a lot of my feelings on 9-11 to try and keep this on topic for ya!

[RedGoneWILD]

well, i'll openly admit it....I'm convinced that there were explosives used to bring down the WTC and have been since at least the summer of 2005...there's just no way that two jets knocked down 3 steel skyscrapers, which also (still) happen to be the only steel skyscrapers to ever collapse due to fire

There is plenty of video evidence that proves controlled demolition (in my opinion), as well as the fact all 3 buildings collapsed in freefall speed. There were announcements on CNN & BBC that building 7 had collapsed already up to an hour before it actually did, as well as video evidence of people on the ground announcing the building would be coming down soon. The owner of the WTC complex (who bought the properties only 2 months prior and profitted tremendously) also freely admits that "they made the decision to pull the building". Rudy Giuliani also admitted in a live interview on 9.11 that he was moved from his location (ironically at WTC7) because he was told that the buildings would collapse. If he knew and was moved, why wasn't anybody else told?

There are witnesses who say bombs were exploding in the basement, there are firefighters who say bombs were going off in the building. There is video evidence where you can hear what sounds like nothing other than bombs exploding.

To me, what seals the deal is that the buildings exploded OUTWARD with huge chunks of steel being embedded in buildings across the street. The fact that of 3000 victims, less than 300 intact bodies were found, with most victims either still not being identified, or just small fragments of bone big enough to fit inside a test tube being identified. The fact that tiny human remains were found on an adjacent skyscraper roof 5 years later. If the building collapsed, how did they get blown to pieces and land on the roof of a building across the street?

I was in NYC just a couple weeks ago and we did a tour of the NYPD museum, which was just a couple blocks from the WTC site...and they had a whole wing on 9.11, including a door & siren from a police cruiser, a female officers belt and radio, and other artifacts....but the most interesting artifact they had was this gun which had become embedded in a slab of concrete. It had holes like swiss cheese, looked like a meteorite, and you could barely tell a gun was inside of it. I'll have to post a picture, but it was mind boggling that a gun could be fused together with concrete in this way....but then again, i'm not a science expert, just thought it very odd.

I could go on and on with all the ridiculous things that occurred on 9.11, but I'll stop....for now. I've learned that only those who want to look into it for themselves even care about hearing alternative explanations than what our federal government provided (not even a single mention of WTC7 in the Commission Report, as if it didn't even exist).

[JeRmZ]

There are witnesses who say bombs were exploding in the basement, there are firefighters who say bombs were going off in the building. There is video evidence where you can hear what sounds like nothing other than bombs exploding.

To me this was the most intriguing part, I saw an interview with one Fireman that said he felt an explosion from underneath him and that it "lifted" him off the ground.

If we were to believe what the 9-11 commision report say's and what our government want's us to believe, there is no way this guy should have felt an explosion from below where he was standing ... because according to all the reports, the explosions were due to the concrete as it was smashing down level by level!!

Another thing that I find very interesting is the supposed plane that hit the Pentagon? Why is it that there is no video footage of this plane, in fact within minutes of the "collision" reports state that the FBI and CIA went into a hotel and a gas station and confiscated all of the video tapes from camera's that could have shown anything. The ONLY video footage ever released was a 2 second clip that shows some sort of dust cloud going across the lawn of the pentagon a split second before impact?? You'd have to think that a large plane like that flying so low in DC would have raised the attention of someone and someone would have captured it somewhere on some sort of camera device a cell phone or something right? .... wrong ... nothing, not one snipet of a plane hitting the pentagon!!! Pretty amazing isn't it?

yeah yeah I have a good idea of what you'll probably say ... well if no plane hit the pentagon then what happened to all those people that were on the flight?? your guess is as good as mine. but I can say IMO if the government was in on the planes flying into the WTC and killing thousands a plane of another 100 or so is not such a big deal right?

[RedGoneWILD]

To me this was the most intriguing part, I saw an interview with one Fireman that said he felt an explosion from underneath him and that it "lifted" him off the ground.

If we were to believe what the 9-11 commision report say's and what our government want's us to believe, there is no way this guy should have felt an explosion from below where he was standing ... because according to all the reports, the explosions were due to the concrete as it was smashing down level by level!!

Another thing that I find very interesting is the supposed plane that hit the Pentagon? Why is it that there is no video footage of this plane, in fact within minutes of the "collision" reports state that the FBI and CIA went into a hotel and a gas station and confiscated all of the video tapes from camera's that could have shown anything. The ONLY video footage ever released was a 2 second clip that shows some sort of dust cloud going across the lawn of the pentagon a split second before impact?? You'd have to think that a large plane like that flying so low in DC would have raised the attention of someone and someone would have captured it somewhere on some sort of camera device a cell phone or something right? .... wrong ... nothing, not one snipet of a plane hitting the pentagon!!! Pretty amazing isn't it?

yeah yeah I have a good idea of what you'll probably say ... well if no plane hit the pentagon then what happened to all those people that were on the flight?? your guess is as good as mine. but I can say IMO if the government was in on the planes flying into the WTC and killing thousands a plane of another 100 or so is not such a big deal right?

I tried to focus my post on only the WTC, because the Pentagon and Shanksville have so many inconsistencies that they each should be dealt with seperately.

But that is the first question I ask anybody about the pentagon. The HQ of our military, and not a single video confirming an airplane hit the building. There are security cameras every 30 feet surrounding the perimeter of the building, which means at least 4 cameras should've picked up the direct impact. JeRmZ, the government did actually release the confiscated videos from the minit mart across the street, and a hotel security camera, but not the video they confiscated from a 5 story hotel which supposedly was aimed right at the impact point from the roof. The minit mart video shows absolutely nothing, and the hotel camera all you can see is something passing extremely fast under the highway bridge. I also know about the 5 frames you are talking about from the security station at the pentagon. They actually released the full video of that too, it's like 2 minutes long, and you still don't see an airplane, just an impact.

My uncle was actually a block away from the Pentagon when it was hit, and he assisted the following days in the cleanup...I've tried to ask him questions about what he saw, and he basically just stares at me as if he's not sure what to say. About the only thing he has said to me is he's surprised there wasn't more plain wreckage found

To get back to the WTC, the floors smashing level by level would suggest that it did not fall at freefall speed, which clearly isn't the case. Both 100 story buildings collapsed in about 10 seconds. So the government contradicts itself again.

[JeRmZ]

To me the most ****ing information comes from a gentleman named Aaron Russo. Russo is a jewish filmaker who was friends with Nicholas Rockefeller. Russo was friends with the Rockefellers and according to him they had been trying to "recruit" him for a while but he was never interested in any of their "business" propositions.

Russo has admitted that 11 months prior to 9-11 he was talking to Nicholas on the phone when Nicholas admitted ...

"There is going to be an event, and out of this event we are going to invade Afghanistan so we can run pipelines through the Caspian sea, we'll go into Iraq to take oil and establish bases in the middle east. We will make the middle east part of the plan for a new world order. We will also go after Venezuela."


The government fabricated this war on "terror", a never ending war in the eyes of the global elite because that's what they want. They want Americans to fear something, they need them to fear something so they can strip you of your civil liberties (see Patriot Act) and force you to believe they are fighting for you!! It doesn't stop here either .. it goes on and on and on until you see what is happening right now before our eyes, the financial stability of our country crumbles, the government goes in and "buys out" these sectors and takes control of them. Transportation, Agriculture, Finance and on and on and on.

Anyone that doesn't think that this has happened in the past take a look throughout history there has been fabricated event's to start a war, here in America and abroad ... probably the most prolific one of all, World War II abd Hitler. Hitler claimed that terrorists burned down Reichstag and that prompted the start of WWII.

"By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as **** or an extremely wretched life as paradise." - Hitler

"If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed." - Hitler


edit: DISCLAIMER: By no means do i condone what Hitler did, but you have to admit the man was a genius in how he did it. He made people believe what he wanted them to believe by force feeding them propaganda over and over and over again!! Sound familiar to you, maybe because FOX news, CNN, MSNBC are all forms or forced propaganda today!!

[aw00d05]

To me the most ****ing information comes from a gentleman named Aaron Russo. Russo is a jewish filmaker who was friends with Nicholas Rockefeller. Russo was friends with the Rockefellers and according to him they had been trying to "recruit" him for a while but he was never interested in any of their "business" propositions.

Russo has admitted that 11 months prior to 9-11 he was talking to Nicholas on the phone when Nicholas admitted ...

"There is going to be an event, and out of this event we are going to invade Afghanistan so we can run pipelines through the Caspian sea, we'll go into Iraq to take oil and establish bases in the middle east. We will make the middle east part of the plan for a new world order. We will also go after Venezuela."


The government fabricated this war on "terror", a never ending war in the eyes of the global elite because that's what they want. They want Americans to fear something, they need them to fear something so they can strip you of your civil liberties (see Patriot Act) and force you to believe they are fighting for you!! It doesn't stop here either .. it goes on and on and on until you see what is happening right now before our eyes, the financial stability of our country crumbles, the government goes in and "buys out" these sectors and takes control of them. Transportation, Agriculture, Finance and on and on and on.

Anyone that doesn't think that this has happened in the past take a look throughout history there has been fabricated event's to start a war, here in America and abroad ... probably the most prolific one of all, World War II abd Hitler. Hitler claimed that terrorists burned down Reichstag and that prompted the start of WWII.

"By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as **** or an extremely wretched life as paradise." - Hitler

"If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed." - Hitler


edit: DISCLAIMER: By no means do i condone what Hitler did, but you have to admit the man was a genius in how he did it. He made people believe what he wanted them to believe by force feeding them propaganda over and over and over again!! Sound familiar to you, maybe because FOX news, CNN, MSNBC are all forms or forced propaganda today!!

Doesn't that sound like Obama? Except I doubt he'll do that, he suckered everyone into believing he'd do all these great things, and has failed to do so...

[shortking98]

I'm not surprised that this has given some fuel to the conspiracy theorists. I do think the plane that "crashed" and was supposedly saved by the passengers from hitting the white house or whatever they believed it was after may have been shot down but I can't really believe all of the conspiracy theories. Most of the "evidence" of these type of conspiracies comes from grainy films, eyewitness accounts (which are not terribly credible) and the suggestions of "experts" who often have very little background in what they claim to be experts in

[RedGoneWILD]

I'm not surprised that this has given some fuel to the conspiracy theorists. I do think the plane that "crashed" and was supposedly saved by the passengers from hitting the white house or whatever they believed it was after may have been shot down but I can't really believe all of the conspiracy theories. Most of the "evidence" of these type of conspiracies comes from grainy films, eyewitness accounts (which are not terribly credible) and the suggestions of "experts" who often have very little background in what they claim to be experts in

so in other words...you're sticking with the official government story, even though you haven't looked into it yourself? and this isn't a shot at you, or anybody else...but i have people all the time try to explain it to me that way, and they have never bothered to take 10 minutes to look into it....

the real conspiracy theory is that two 747s brought down two 100 story skyscrapers and a 40 story skyscraper with nothing other than the impact and burning jet fuel

i'm not surprised nobody is responding to this thread....same as i'm not surprised not a single major news outlet has this story posted on their website right now...if you ignore it, it will just go away eventually

[OnePimpTiger]

I don't post on most of the conspiracy theory threads, including this one, because I really don't know what to believe. I find the situation you guys have described very hard to believe, at least in totality, but I wouldn't put it past our government either. I'm far from a conspiracy theorist, but I am one of the people who doesn't trust the government as far as they can throw it...on anything. The only reason I lean toward the "man's" explanation is because I do tend to believe that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.