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04-09-2009, 03:14 PM #21
No one "bending" anything here. Just reporting and discussing what has been given to us by the scientific community. It's been reported that this "super thermite" was found ... any logical reasoning would tell you that if they found it, it must have been used for something right? There is a group of Architech's and Engineers' that also believe different from the 9-11 commision reports and they must be wrong too right? If you'd like here is their website ...
http://www.ae911truth.org/
Do you think that whoever did use them would just come out and openly admit to the destruction of two (three to be exact) iconic buildings amidst the tragedy that happened on that day? I think not!! As for when they put them there? Who knows? Days, weeks, maybe even months before the event happened they could have been installed and planned.
I won't touch on the Kennedy subject, if you'd like to start a Kennedy thread I'd love to post some very interesting information in there for you to digest.
And so goes the problem with America. We are force fed news on a daily basis and most people (not all) are so quick to accept that as the only answer and that's what leads us to the problems we face today. It's pretty sad that some very intelligent people are ignored just because the government and the mainstream media pencile them in as "whack jobs" with nothing better to do!!
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04-09-2009, 03:26 PM #22
No force fed news here, I know what I saw with my own two eyes. If you cant see how two over sized Passenger Jets, fully loaded with Jet Fuel, cant bring those buildings down, and believe the buildings were wired with explosives, I cant say anything to change your mind. With every major incident in this country's history, there has always been a conspiracy theory somehwere. Granted, some are much mroebelieveable then others, but there always there.
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04-09-2009, 03:29 PM #23
Why is it so hard to believe that the government knew these planes (or some planes) would be hijacked and did nothing about it? It's not odd at all for our government to sit back and do nothing about many problems in this world today, I don't put it past them one bit!
I do not believe they organized the hijackings themelves though. IMO this plan was thought out and planned by The Saudi's and Pakistan. OBL was a pawn used to create a "face" on the word terror and since he had already been linked as well to the 93 WTC bomb, why not use him again only this time his plan succeeds and he's the bad guy that we will go after.
Only we decide to go into Iraq and get Hussein???? Strange?
IMO it's not the first time and won't be the last. This type of stuff goes back to WWI and WWII. Go back and look at some information about Pearl Harbor and the advance warnings that were recieved that a Japanese fleet was on the move and in attack mode, yet no warnings were ever sent to Pearl Harbor or the Phillipines ... our government believed the Japanese were going to attack the Phillipines because they were not brave enough to hit us on our home turf!!! How wrong were they!!!
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04-09-2009, 03:33 PM #24
As I said, no matter what someone tells you, you will twist the facts to support the argument to your needs. you believe the goverment knew about the atacks and organized the deaths of thousands of americans. I for one dont. Some cirumstantial evidence does nto make me believe the president, whether it be Bush, Clinton, Obama or whoever would sit back and allow the deaths fo that many people on their watch. You obviously do.
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04-10-2009, 06:40 PM #25
Of Course everyone Knows the attac kwas done by Bush, he felt killing thousands of americans was a good way to go about htings.
GIVE ME A BREAK
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04-10-2009, 07:42 PM #26
there is a HUGE difference between the two things you are describing... Most theorist say the government was in on it.... i do not believe that at all.. What you are comparing it to is the government not doing anything to stop it or "ignoring it" Im not saying i disagree with you but you also have to realize that they get thousands and thousands of "hot tips" every day. They may have had some information that something was going to happen. If we are going to cry foul everytime something like this happens what about the pirate attacks. Barack's administration had infor a week or so ago that pirates are attacking further off the coast... is this a conspiracy to start a war with Sudan?
Also with the talk of putting explosives in the building.... Someone mentioned no one would ever tell if they were the people who put the material in the building... your kidding me right? People that do this do it to get mentioned... Serial killers love to talk about it. They dont think like me and you... it would have taken more than just a couple people to put them in there much less get passed security and no common person in the entire building saw or reported anything? A little fishy to me...
Hindsight is always 20/20. Could something have been done about 9/11.... maybe... I do have to agree with Red that something doesnt match up but someone who dedicates his life enough to become president of the United States I do not feel could knowingly let things fall through the cracks and let thousands of americans get killed like this.
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04-10-2009, 08:00 PM #27
I bet Bush and Cheeney personally loaded the buildings with explosives. These theories are crazy and i guess are never going to die either. Sad part is alot of people will actually believe them
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04-13-2009, 11:53 PM #28
I honestly don't know what to believe...I try to look at it this way...If I was on a jury, I don't think the official story could satisfy me beyond a reasonable doubt. And the only thing that really means is they have some holes in their story....but they are sticking to it.
But I also agree that if I was the defendent, I wouldn't want my fate decided by evidence such as 4 samples of dust with no chain of custody. Even I would argue against it being admissable evidence....but that doesn't mean the samples don't contain thermite and they didn't come from the WTC.
The report that was released last week outlines how all 4 samples were obtained that were used in the experiment, and all 4 people who supplied the samples signed sworn affadavits as to how they obtained the dust and allowed permission for their names to be used in the report. There was also a fifth sample that contained thermite as well, but that person did not wish to have their name disclosed, so the sample was excluded from the report. I realize that the proper chain of custody is completely suspect, because there was a period of about 5 years when it's unaccounted for (as in, a court of law won't recognize this as evidence.) However, we have a retired professor (forced out because he went against the official story) who has a PhD in Physics who claims to have proof of thermite in the WTC dust. There are many other professionals as well who disagree with the official story. What did the NIST find during their investigation? No thermite....because they didn't test for explosives.
The NIST says that the twin towers completely collapsed starting at the impact zone because
(1) the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees Celsius) significantly weakened the floors and columns with dislodged fireproofing to the point where floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns. This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers. Both photographic and video evidence—as well as accounts from the New York Police Department aviation unit during a half-hour period prior to collapse—support this sequence for each tower.
fine, if you say so...I'll give you that...The fires were hot, the trusses started sagging and 110 stories worth of building completely snapped and fell like a bad move in Jenga....twice! There is visual evidence of some steel bowing around the impact zone. If this makes sense, then it should make sense that the building that was hit first with a more direct impact would fall first...right? Then building seven, the only building in the WTC complex not in the square, located across the street, falls 7 hours later, even though no airplane severed support columns or knocked off it's fire proofing, collapsed completely and totally as well.
some fire
lots of smoke
total collapse
Giuliani was in building 7 at the Office of Emergency Management prior to collapse, and was moved because he was told the buildings were going to collapse. He gave an interview at noon to ABC News admitting this.
Also, why is it irrelevent what Bush said? Was he misspeaking...twice? To me, misspeaking is when he said "OBGYN's should be able to practice their love with women"....saying that you saw the first plane hit the first tower, on TWO seperate occasions is either a blatant lie, or he's so dumb he actually told the truth...Why does everybody just dismiss this? Clinton lies about a BJ and gets impeached, and Bush lies about 9.11 and he gets a pass because he's stupid.
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04-14-2009, 12:52 PM #29
If a BIG plane hits a tall buidling like that full of fuel and a high rate of speed the building is going to to go down.
IF this was an inside job someone would know about it and have said something to someone by now. There would need to be way to many people involved in it.
As for the plane gettign shot down, hwo could this be when we have had countless relatives that received phone calls from there lvoed ones on board the plane telling them what was happening??
The people questioning this are complete morons, i dont care if they are scientists or a naverage joe running his mouth starting u pa conpiracy site.
This is a good read
Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report
http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...w/1227842.html
and another
http://www.debunking911.com/index.html
What it is is people who dont like Bush looking for away to make people believe he is pure EVIL, Sad part about it alot of people will believe anything they read.
So they kill Thousands of Americans take down a very huge part of New York so they can go to war with Iraq?? Why when they could just make something up anyway.
People are pathetic
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04-14-2009, 07:37 PM #30
I can be a moron and pathetic...that's fine
but I didn't see popular mechanics trying to debunk Junior saying that saw something he could not have seen on two different occasions unless he was complicit.
I also didn't see them trying to debunk Giuliani knowing something he shouldn't have known unless he was complicit.
I'm not saying they are...i'm just saying what they said
anybody...........?
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Originally Posted by GrimUSMC 
