Study claims 'highly engineered explosive' found in WTC rubble

[tutall]

We may not know exactly what happened but neither does Joe Blow making a video on Youtube... You cant be exactly sure what happened because no huge airliners have ever crashed into 2 100 story building before.... You can say all you want but no way in **** i believe any US President would be in on something like this. If so stories or paperwork would have come out by now. There would have had to be WAY too many people in on it for no one to talk about it. There is some serious money in it if someone knew the story and had proof not to talk about it.

[shortking98]

so in other words...you're sticking with the official government story, even though you haven't looked into it yourself? and this isn't a shot at you, or anybody else...but i have people all the time try to explain it to me that way, and they have never bothered to take 10 minutes to look into it....

the real conspiracy theory is that two 747s brought down two 100 story skyscrapers and a 40 story skyscraper with nothing other than the impact and burning jet fuel

i'm not surprised nobody is responding to this thread....same as i'm not surprised not a single major news outlet has this story posted on their website right now...if you ignore it, it will just go away eventually

Don't worry I don't take it personally. I have looked into it a bit and don't particularly buy most of the stories surrounding it. I also am not convinced the government report is 100% true. For instance, most of the reasoning I have seen behind the building collapses being demolitions is that the buildings fell quickly and looked the same as they do when buildings get demolished. OK, that's true but not exactly firm science. Actually when most buildings fall (hopefully this is a rare occasion that few people witness) that's what they would look like. You won't get 1 or two floors collapsing at a time, once it starts the whole thing usually comes down. Also, I don't buy the stories about false news reports being the "evidence" that people knew it was coming. When something like that happens everybody is scrambling to get any news they can and chances are, someone will get bad information and report it live before they can confirm it. My guess is, that's what happened with the third building. Furthermore, if you want to plan something like this out then why would you let the media into your circle of supposedly few people who know about it? If there's anyone that's going to leak info on something someone in the media is going to blow the whistle. I haven't gone to the depth of calculating loads on the buildings structural members to see how it would fail but then again I haven't seen any conspiracy theorists who have done this either. They are usually just looking at video and saying, "Look, fire over there!" and "Wow, that was so fast. There's no way that could happen naturally"

[jlzinck]

Russo has admitted that 11 months prior to 9-11 he was talking to Nicholas on the phone when Nicholas admitted ...

OK Cool so it was Clinton and Gore who planned this. Good Work clearing Mr Bush.

THanks,

[JeRmZ]

OK Cool so it was Clinton and Gore who planned this. Good Work clearing Mr Bush.

THanks,

LOL ... this goes back to Bush Senior. Clinton and Gore were involved sure ... but don't think for one second Bush Jr. didn't have a dirty hand in on the scheme as well.

Bush Jr. was warned weeks before 9/11 that something big was going to go down and the administration did nothing to prevent it. Why is that? maybe it's because the Bush Jr. administration needed that boost, that red flag for a reason to go into Iraq, a reason for the American people to believe a war was justified. We all know well and good that the war in Iraq is NOT justified because of 9/11. There is no information that points to Sadaam Hussein funding terrorist activities, in fact there is no information at all on who actually did fund the terrorists ... that information was convienently left out of the 9/11 commision reports because as they put it "it was of no significant importance"?? Although information has slowly leaked out in the last few years from some 9/11 Whistleblowers, that it was more than likely the Saudi's and Pakistani's that funded the 9/11 hijackers, but measures were put into place by Bush Jr. that blocked the FBI and CIA from investigating those claims. again ... Why is that?

I'm not here telling anyone that our government solely plotted and carried out 9/11 but what I am telling you is that they had their dirty hands in on it and did nothing to prevent it. It was a way to justify war, strip civil liberties away from the American people and as we are seeing today ... Cripple the financial structure of our economy.

[RedGoneWILD]

I agree with you Tiger Pimp…but to me explosives used to bring down the buildings makes more sense than 2 airplanes knocking down 3 skyscrapers. It’s like the JFK assassination….it seems more logical to me that there was a 2nd shooter on the Grassy knoll that did the head shot, then it does to suggest Oswald had a magic bullet. Maybe I’m a conspiracy theorist, but I think when most people say that they’re really just trying to tell you that you’re insane…haha

Let me just say in regards to 9.11 that I don't have a definitive theory and I’m not sure what to believe. I don’t believe in holographic airplanes, missiles fired from the Woolworth building or UFO’s hitting it with a laser beam. If you've looked into it, and agree mostly with the official story, then I’m not really looking to argue with you. Both stories have lots of holes… but to me, there are certain facts which I don’t know how they can be ignored…which is exactly what the federal government’s investigation did, and which is exactly why I don’t trust their story.

All I know is that I don’t trust Bush 2, or his brother who was the head of security at the WTC. I don’t trust Cheney running the show on 9.11…I don’t trust Rumsfeld or Condi Rice at all. The only person I really trusted in that admin was Colin Powell, and he was in South America when the planes hit. I don’t understand why Bush said twice that he saw a plane hit WTC1 on TV. Either he did see it as it happened, as he described on two separate occasions, which would have to suggest nothing other than complicity, or he has the imagination of my 5 year old. Either way, I don’t see how anybody could actually defend the guy or still want him as the president. There’s a big difference between misspeaking and completely making things up.

I do believe there is, or was, at least one video that clearly shows exactly what hit the Pentagon. If it’s Flight 93, just release the video, so that this can be put to rest once and for all. It blows my mind that the Pentagon could get be attacked without any conclusive footage being recorded, especially when there were at least 3 security cameras on the pentagon roof on the impact side, including one almost directly above the impact zone.

Ok…so here’s this photo I was talking about. Can anybody explain how this happened? The sign in the background it says “Fire temperatures were so intense that concrete melted like lava.” I guess since there were reports of lava-like “pools of molten steel” for several weeks, it makes sense that a gun could become embedded in liquid concrete. But again, as Tiger Pimp pointed out earlier, it just doesn’t make sense to me that 2 planes, and ONLY 2 planes, could cause the complete and total collapse of 3 buildings and leave liquid pools of molten steel and concrete for months.



The picture is from the 9.11 section of the NYPD museum, located ½ mile from the WTC complex. There’s a few more that I took that can be seen here…including a picture of Moira Ann Smith and her badge and belt.

[gsj68]

i have some rosie odonalds in my family so instead of argueing with them i stuck 4 pieces of maple in the fireplace and opened it up,when the top of the stove was glowing red and they where freaking out that the house was going to burn down i said,that was 4 pieces of wood just think what i could do with 2 jets full of jet fuel,they understand now

[JeRmZ]

gsj - not a great analogy really. They've pretty much already stated in several reports that the Jet Fuel would not have created sufficient heat to melt steel.

Construction grade steel (which is what I assume would be used in the construction of a 100 story skyscraper) melts at 2795* ... the 9/11 commision reports states (which I'm amazed how they would know this) some pockets of fire within WTC were burning at or close to 1800* ... not nearly hot enough to melt steel into a "molten state"

[gsj68]

gsj - not a great analogy really. They've pretty much already stated in several reports that the Jet Fuel would not have created sufficient heat to melt steel.

Construction grade steel (which is what I assume would be used in the construction of a 100 story skyscraper) melts at 2795* ... the 9/11 commision reports states (which I'm amazed how they would know this) some pockets of fire within WTC were burning at or close to 1800* ... not nearly hot enough to melt steel into a "molten state"

dont have to melt the steel just have to weaken it,the molten metal was most likely softer metals like tin,copper ect.

a thousand years ago the chinese where making steel with a ceramic furnace and wood/coal,its all about the air flow

[GrimUSMC]

I love how every conspiracie theory will bend and twist things to fit.

If they used explosives, who used them and when did they put them there, and how come no one has ever been able to figure that out??

And for Kennedy, theres a show that actualy disporves many of the conspiracy theories. The one I remmebr most is the "Magic Bullet" Theory. Most conspiracy theprists base their rebutal on the fact that Kennedy and the governeor were sitting in line, same seat height . They were not. They were off set, and sseats were at different heights. When you reexamine it like that, It ironically makes alot more sense and is completely feasible.

Ive leared you will never silence conspiracy theorists. you just have to ignore them.

[Bonds_25]

As I've stated before, I do believe the one plan was shot down that was headed to the White House or Capital.

Here's what I find really sketchy about the conspiracy theories that the U.S. government organized these attacks: This implies that they 1) knew the planes were going to be hi-jacked and did nothing about it, or 2) they organized the hijackings themselves. If they did indeed plant bombs in the WTC they would have had to have been on the hijackings as well.

I just don't believe our government would intentionally kill thousands of Americans in order to start a war or establish a new world order as some believe.