Major Panini fail

[centrehice]

There are more Steve Shutt Teal Jersey Cards in the World, than there are bad Loverboy songs. He is the Bob Bourne of Mid/Low-End Fillers.

[Yipper]

Well if we the collectors stand up and start calling them out on the cut corners and stand together maybe they will get the hint and quit cutting said corners but sitting here defending them so they can make more profit is only going to make them cut more corners and further hurt the hobby.

How is what I'm doing anything different than you sitting there and complaining that they are so-called cutting corners. To you not making the cut perfect or not making the card perfect to your liking is cutting corners.

To others do they view it as cutting corners? Seriously not lining up a card with the shape of the letter is cutting corners?

I took it from business perspective. It always cost money to perform extra work. Somethings are worth the extra work, somethings are not.

All you are thinking about is the collector's perspective, collectors want this, collectors want that...

What if the scenario is they make zero profit. Would you rather them lose money so that you can have a better cut card. You probably say no. Cause its ... etc.

You arguments for collectors just show how narrow minded your statements is. You want the best, and you want the companies to give you the best cause they are marking a profit. So you want them to make zero profit or little to non?

What they make is non of your business. But what they actually make has everything to do with their survival and the existence of the hobby.

There is something that is called return on investment. As company, you need a certain ROE in order even survive no matter what industry. After that there is no point to stay in that industry cause you don't make money.

Just because you are in it for collecting doesn't mean others are.


Any company, including ITG has their own guidelines and a bottom line. If they don't make profit or enough profit, they won't be in this industry.

[Wickabee]

There are more Steve Shutt Teal Jersey Cards in the World, than there are bad Loverboy songs. He is the Bob Bourne of Mid/Low-End Fillers.

Hey! Bob's a nice guy.

[MattDMC]

How is what I'm doing anything different than you sitting there and complaining that they are so-called cutting corners. To you not making the cut perfect or not making the card perfect to your liking is cutting corners.
Its cutting corners because half of he swatch is left empty, has nothing to do with being made to my likings as its still going to be a half empty card whether we're talking about my likings or anybody elses.

To others do they view it as cutting corners? Seriously not lining up a card with the shape of the letter is cutting corners?
Again half of the card is empty showig blank cardboard behind it, yes that is cutting corners.

I took it from business perspective. It always cost money to perform extra work. Somethings are worth the extra work, somethings are not.
Put a little extra money into it and make it look right and I'm sure the collectors wouldn't mind an extra $20 a box for a COMPLETE product.

All you are thinking about is the collector's perspective, collectors want this, collectors want that....
Why wouldn't I look at this as a collector? Is it not the collector that buys the product and keeps them in business?

What if the scenario is they make zero profit. Would you rather them lose money so that you can have a better cut card. You probably say no. Cause its ... etc.
Again, make it correct and I'm sure the collectors would pay a little more for the proper product. They wouldn't be making zero profit...

You arguments for collectors just show how narrow minded your statements is. You want the best, and you want the companies to give you the best cause they are marking a profit. So you want them to make zero profit or little to none
If I'm paying $200 for a product don't you think I deserve the best for my money? Again you bring up the zero profit again I will say if they make it better and raise the cost even $20 that will cover their cost increase and the collectors will still buy thus the company is not making no profit.

What they make is non of your business. But what they actually make has everything to do with their survival and the existence of the hobby.
YOUR JOKING RIGHT????? I'm spending $200 a box you better believe its my business what they are making!!!!

There is something that is called return on investment. As company, you need a certain ROE in order even survive no matter what industry. After that there is no point to stay in that industry cause you don't make money.


Just because you are in it for collecting doesn't mean others are.
Those that buy products to sell who don't collect would still pay more for a correctly sized swatch as I'm sure it will look better and bring a higher sell price. It works both ways.


Any company, including ITG has their own guidelines and a bottom line. If they don't make profit or enough profit, they won't be in this industry.
Again if they raise the bottom line they can raise the selling point and people will still buy, so why not make it correct?

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I'm actually having fun with this back and fourth, Hopefully the mods don't see it as bickering.

[RGM81]

I'm adding this to my list of first world hockey card collectors problems: "Pulled a complete game-used letter from the nameplate, but it was an 'I' so it looks bad and it should feel bad."

[Wickabee]

I'm adding this to my list of first world hockey card collectors problems: "Pulled a complete game-used letter from the nameplate, but it was an 'I' so it looks bad and it should feel bad."

Tell it to go to the penalty box. 2 minutes. Feel shame.

[MattDMC]

I'm adding this to my list of first world hockey card collectors problems: "Pulled a complete game-used letter from the nameplate, but it was an 'I' so it looks bad and it should feel bad."

That must be a pretty big list by now, whens the book come out?


Seriously though if you clicked the other links its not just 'I's it's actually several different letters and they all look like crap for something thats supposedly a high end product.

[Yipper]

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I'm actually having fun with this back and fourth, Hopefully the mods don't see it as bickering.

Once again, it is your opinion that the card is not complete. It is your opinion that the card is half empty.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Would it look better to have it covered? maybe.




You aren't entitled to anything. You pay $200 for this product. You pay $12 for eggs. You pay $500 for an airplane ticket.

SO WHAT? What are you entitled? -- NOTHING, other than you got what you paid for.

WHAT THEY MAKE AS PROFIT DOESN'T CONCERN YOU I'M SORRY.

YOU CHOOSE TO BUY THEIR PRODUCT, NOT THEM FORCING YOU.

The sense of entitlement is astounding. Just because you spent a lousy $200 for a box of cards suddenly you are entitled to what they make. Panini, UD, Topps are private companies. They are spending and making whatever amount using their own cashflow. It's not a public company where you can go audit their spending.

....Now you are going to another topic that was shut down months ago... spending extra $20 on box so that they can cut your perfect cards? Seriously, you want everyone to spend $20 more just for your perfect cut cards. It adds value because it is perfectly cut? Where are you stats? You are assuming... assuming that people are willing to spend more... assuming they even care that much about the cut. Assumptions.

Talk all you want now, but you when actually spend it, you probably don't want to. And then suddenly we have people complaining that WHY DO BOXES COST SO MUCH...

Sorry to be critical, but besides those points, your entitled to your opinion and I'm to my own.

[MattDMC]

Okay I'm just going to make one last comment as at this point its just going around in circles now.

Its not my opinion that the card is half empty, IT IS A FACT IT'S HALF EMPTY!

I don't know the exact measurement so lets say there's a 3in x 6in opening for a fabric swatch, the inserted swatch is only 1in x 6in therefor it's half empty. When something isn't filled we call it empty or incomplete where I'm from, we don't go making excuses about it. Would you buy a 2 liter of soda if there was only 1 liter in there or would you say its half empty? A card is no different in this manner of discussion.

I'm sorry that I see things differently than you and that I'm looking at things as a collector, I figured with this being a collector website maybe somebody would get what I'm saying but apparently everyone here is no different than Panini and only cares about a penny and the quality of cards means nothing anymore.

[Wickabee]

Okay I'm just going to make one last comment as at this point its just going around in circles now.

Its not my opinion that the card is half empty, IT IS A FACT IT'S HALF EMPTY!

I don't know the exact measurement so lets say there's a 3in x 6in opening for a fabric swatch, the inserted swatch is only 1in x 6in therefor it's half empty. When something isn't filled we call it empty or incomplete where I'm from, we don't go making excuses about it. Would you buy a 2 liter of soda if there was only 1 liter in there or would you say its half empty? A card is no different in this manner of discussion.

I'm sorry that I see things differently than you and that I'm looking at things as a collector, I figured with this being a collector website maybe somebody would get what I'm saying but apparently everyone here is no different than Panini and only cares about a penny and the quality of cards means nothing anymore.

Sounds like it's two thirds empty...