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12-27-2008, 04:30 PM #111
...and another point that always gets brought up. the fact that Horry has seven rings. Comparing Horry to MJ doesn't need to be debated in my opinion.
Here's a link to a USA Today article from 2003 with an interesting perspective on the topic. I like the point they made about the NBA widening the lane on 2 separate occasions because of the dominance of Mikan in the 40s/50s and Chamberlain in the 60s/70s. Have fun reading...
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baske...ree-team_x.htm
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12-27-2008, 04:47 PM #112
This quote is from the article. I have said that Russell was the greatest, because he did everything else except score to win. He had great centers to play against during his time. A majority of time, people win scoring titles by being a great player on a bad team. All-NBA teams are political. Russell did everything, including defense. This is why he is the greatest. People place to much emphasis on offense.
"Russell is beneath Wilt because everything is about offense," Jones says. "But Wilt was still a great player. Russell was a communicator and he picked everybody up, and he was also the biggest hustler on the team.
"I can see how Michael and Wilt can be considered the greatest players, but Russell has the titles."
Still, Jones says Chamberlain was a marvel.
"You can't judge Russell on statistics alone, and, by the same token, you shouldn't judge Wilt only on his statistics," Jones says. "He was so good and so dominant that his teammates didn't know how to play with him. He was so good that he got blamed every time they lost. That wasn't fair."Last edited by drtom2005; 12-27-2008 at 04:48 PM. Reason: typing
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12-27-2008, 04:54 PM #113
over rated...no....over hyped....YES. Remember, everyone has personal flaws and he has many of them too I"m sure. Gambling? Not a good GM... OH, and I got to see him play baseball in the Arizona Fall League. Pittiful looking ball player. But the White Sox were all hyped to bring him up cuz he was ready. Luckily he knew the truth and quit baseball before that could happen.
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12-27-2008, 04:55 PM #114
I love how everyone bashes AI lol. Like people dont make mistakes. Some people just get caught in media wars and people follow them and note everything they do. Kind of like T.O. It sucks, and for people who never had to deal with problems in there life, take him as a bad person. AI never had anyone, no shaq [kobe], no pippen [jordan]. He never had a sidekick til Denver, and that team was just a mess. For some reason he never clicked there.
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12-27-2008, 05:07 PM #115
Poverse, I know you like A.I., but I don't think he should even be in the talk. He didn't meet his full potential. He never did anything for his team, which is what is needed to win. Probably, he will be in the Hall someday, but I don't think he is a giant in basketball history.Last edited by drtom2005; 12-27-2008 at 05:19 PM. Reason: tying
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12-27-2008, 05:15 PM #116
At first, this was true, but Cousy had already been in the league for about six seasons before Russell came along. So, he and Cousy were the two main guys for the first few titles, but then Havlicek took over that role. (As an aside, Havlicek is actually one of the most underrated players of all-time; few people realize he scored over 25,000 points. He was more than a sixth man who could get steals - he could hit jumpers and flying lay-ups at will, and his stamina is said to be the best in NBA history. He was so athletic that he was even drafted as a safety in the NFL, but thankfully he chose basketball instead, lol.)
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12-27-2008, 05:20 PM #117
For me, what sets Jordan apart from the likes of Kobe, LeBron, etc. is his pure mental consistency. Jordan was never fazed by anything. Compared to MJ, I've seen Kobe and LeBron get too emotional, start to jack up threes, make costly turnovers, and make ill-advised gambles defensively much more often. MJ's intensity was almost always free of emotional "pressing" - he did not take many threes, his lifetime turnovers per game average is lower than Kobe's and LeBron's (and he certainly handled the ball just as often!), and his defense was equally good man-to-man as it was rotation-wise. While being just as athletic as those guys, his edge was cerebral - although I'd still say Bill Russell has the highest all-time basketball IQ; he just didn't have the same offensive dominance as Jordan (and obviously didn't need to given his rings).
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12-27-2008, 05:55 PM #118
Never put him up there like that. Cause I have my own opinions that 99% of people wont agree. How can he ever do something for his team if he never had a team? He carried the Sixers to the Finals.
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12-27-2008, 07:13 PM #119
Po. Verse not trying to bash AI just stating the facts, look at his history he is a very selfish player, he doesn't care about anyone other than himself, and as long as that stays that way he will never be anywhere close to Jordan, i'm not trying to bash him at all, I think he is extremely talented and will give him that, but he has always been about him and no one else.
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12-27-2008, 07:50 PM #120
Because everyone always puts him in that spot. hes a scorer? And its not like he doesnt average 6 assist per game in his career. While Jordan avgs 5, not much diff, but you get my point. AI can take the game into his own hands, jordan always needed someone else to feed off. AI is so use to being in Philly and not having anyone. AND NO IM NOT saying AI is a better person. Theres way to many people in the NBA history to pick one. It just so Happens the NBA needed Jordan to carry the league when he was around.
And selfish? How many times has he played out of position to help a team? How long did he strive to get philly into the playoffs, while bashing and beating his body? I thought so.
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