Why all the hate?

[gladdyontherise]

I just showed you stats.. Real legit stats that DISPROVE your point. No Rhetoric, just pure facts. And you still twist it around to prove you are right.

FACT: During that time period no one made more last second shots then Lebron
FACT: During that time period no one missed more last second shots then Kobe.
FACT: During the 2012 regular season (and I can show this for every season he has been in) Lebron has been at the top of all clutch performers.
FACT: During his 2007 Post season he achieved a very good state line of 22-7-7 with a team that consisted of 0 hall of famers and only a single all-star (Big-Z).

I know you all want to say he did "nothing" and therefore "choked". But he was on a team that had the WORST roster of any NBA finals team ever. (This isnt verified, but to be honest I can not think of any other NBA finals team in history that had less talent ad justified by all-stars). The fact he took this team to the finals should be proof enough to most people that he is in fact that good.

Keep brining up rhetoric, but the simple fact is that he does perform. He performs at the highest level possible and exceeds all of his peers in overall performences.

I shall now await someone brining up how he failed in one stat despite excelling in 5 others.

Hey, if you think 35% shooting and 6 turnovers a game is good, then more power to ya.

Here's a fact: LeBron has no championships, and went to Miami because he isn't good enough to do it on his own.

[lambeauleap87]

I just showed you stats.. Real legit stats that DISPROVE your point. No Rhetoric, just pure facts. And you still twist it around to prove you are right.

FACT: During that time period no one made more last second shots then Lebron
FACT: During that time period no one missed more last second shots then Kobe.
FACT: During the 2012 regular season (and I can show this for every season he has been in) Lebron has been at the top of all clutch performers.
FACT: During his 2007 Post season he achieved a very good state line of 22-7-7 with a team that consisted of 0 hall of famers and only a single all-star (Big-Z).

I know you all want to say he did "nothing" and therefore "choked". But he was on a team that had the WORST roster of any NBA finals team ever. (This isnt verified, but to be honest I can not think of any other NBA finals team in history that had less talent ad justified by all-stars). The fact he took this team to the finals should be proof enough to most people that he is in fact that good.

Keep brining up rhetoric, but the simple fact is that he does perform. He performs at the highest level possible and exceeds all of his peers in overall performences.

I shall now await someone brining up how he failed in one stat despite excelling in 5 others.

Now account for all the times he gave up on his time, played them out of a last second shot, or missed. Add that together and what do you get? Zero championships, and one player who can't come up clutch. I don't care how many clutch shots he hits against the Bucks in the regular season. Let's see him do it in the playoffs when it counts.

Like I said, 22-7-7 is a respectable stat line. But with the "OMGZ LeBron is the greatest at everything EVER" mentality you seem to have, that's a pretty pedestrian statline. Which, while we're at it, explains why he is the Ringless King.

I really don't know why you keep saying that it was the worst team ever. You're really horribly wrong. Ilgauskas, Gooden, Varejao, and Hughes were all quality NBA players during that time. Boobie Gibson played some of the best, most clutch basketball of his life during that time; I distinctly remember that. There were plenty of good players on that team. LeBron just couldn't get it done.

[Kutzy]

Hey, if you think 35% shooting and 6 turnovers a game is good, then more power to ya.

Here's a fact: LeBron has no championships, and went to Miami because he isn't good enough to do it on his own.

Another fact.. Stockton, Malone, and Barkely have none. Therefore Satch Sanders with his 8? is a hell of a lot better then them..


How in the world can you fault a guy with arguably the worst team in NBA finals history? I mean thats just looking for a reason to hate someone. You arent even trying to base it off of facts.

How many hall of famers and all-stars did Jordan have on his championship teams? Kobe? Shaq? Wade? Duncan? Kareem? Russell?
I can keep going on and on and on. Basketball is not a 1 man game. If it were then you can fault Lebron for having no rings. HOWEVER, if he fails to produce a ring from last year until this year, you are well within your rights. Given his team talent, there are no excuses. Trying to fault a guy for playing with Big-Z and Larry Hughes as your second and third best players is just rediculous.

[BradWells1977]

Kutzy..i think it has alot to do with him proclaiming himself as the king..he is a heck of a ball player, i think the Heat need to realize that Wade is Mr. Clutch...

[Kutzy]

Now account for all the times he gave up on his time, played them out of a last second shot, or missed. Add that together and what do you get? Zero championships, and one player who can't come up clutch. I don't care how many clutch shots he hits against the Bucks in the regular season. Let's see him do it in the playoffs when it counts.

Like I said, 22-7-7 is a respectable stat line. But with the "OMGZ LeBron is the greatest at everything EVER" mentality you seem to have, that's a pretty pedestrian statline. Which, while we're at it, explains why he is the Ringless King.

I really don't know why you keep saying that it was the worst team ever. You're really horribly wrong. Ilgauskas, Gooden, Varejao, and Hughes were all quality NBA players during that time. Boobie Gibson played some of the best, most clutch basketball of his life during that time; I distinctly remember that. There were plenty of good players on that team. LeBron just couldn't get it done.

Name a sinlge NBA finals team with less talent then them? 2 total all star games by Big-Z is the only person who has proven to be "good". You are throwing out names like they are multiple all-stars and eventual hall of famers. These were back of the starting rotation players. Just that simple. Nothing you can say can disprove that as seen in their entire careers.

I have never said Lebron is the best at everything and its quite obvious he isnt. However, he is the best all around player in the NBA and stats prove that.

[lambeauleap87]

Name a sinlge NBA finals team with less talent then them? 2 total all star games by Big-Z is the only person who has proven to be "good". You are throwing out names like they are multiple all-stars and eventual hall of famers. These were back of the starting rotation players. Just that simple. Nothing you can say can disprove that as seen in their entire careers.

I have never said Lebron is the best at everything and its quite obvious he isnt. However, he is the best all around player in the NBA and stats prove that.

To be honest, I'm not going to go look through every single NBA Finals team, including the losers, and just to prove a point. I watched every game the Cavs played in the playoffs that year (I live in Ohio, but I'm not a Cavs fan). It's obvious to me that you didn't watch them. On multiple occasions, Boobie Gibson carried that team in the playoffs. Ilguaskas was a very good player in his own right, and Hughes and Gooden were consistent contributors. Stop trying to take away from what they accomplished because LeBron couldn't get it done when he had to. The guys who hit the clutch shots on that team in the playoffs were Gibson and Marshall, because LeBron didn't.

[Kutzy]

The fact you applaud Gibson all the while diminishing lebron further shows you will never give him credit for anything. I watched them as well and it showed how much more superior of a team the spurs were.

I bring stats to prove my points. What I'm hearing from other people is just rhetoric without those stats to prove your point.

[Kutzy]

Kutzy..i think it has alot to do with him proclaiming himself as the king..he is a heck of a ball player, i think the Heat need to realize that Wade is Mr. Clutch...

I actually agree with this. Lebron is one of the best passers in the game and garners a lot of interest from defenders. Allow him to make the pass to Wade. You emphasize both players best attributes.

I understand the whole "king" thing and once again agree. He is a d-bag white often. I don't think its more or less then most other superstars buy I believe its a very valid reason for hating him off the court. His on the court accomplishments though are spectacular.


The fact that people pick him out of everyone to hate amuses me. I dont see how anyone can hate Kobe, lebron, Durant, etc. On the court. I would understand if he was dirty or something like that on the court but he is far from that.

Edit to the above: Kinda sounded like a d-head statement. I meant it more as a " we are never going to agree unless there is proof" sort of way. Not dismissing the whole thing, just saying we have run our corse and unless we have new infor such as stats to back the statements, its pretty pointless to go on.

[BradWells1977]

mainly why alot of people dont like him his his self absorbed attitude..he is a heck of a ball player, but not being clutch i pretty sure he just needs to stop caring what people think of him and play ball..still id take Wade over him all the time in the clutch..

[Kutzy]

but not being clutch i pretty sure he just needs to stop caring what people think of him and play ball...

I actually think this is why people gang up on him so much.. He actually cares what people think. Probably a sign of weakness that people want to exploit. The guy is looking for love from the fans and it makes the fans hate him more... In a round about sort of way anyway.