SHAQ to CLEVELAND?????????

[gladdyontherise]

He doesn't listen to the fans, if he did then we would have traded Wally for a bag of Doritos before the deadline. All I'm saying is the fans love Delonte, Danny Ferry loves Delonte, and it wouldn't make sense trade him for Shaq. Sure...we would get a big man that we need, but we wouldn't have a SG then.

You make it seem like he'd trade James before Delonte...

A guard who averages 11 points, 3 assists and 3 rebounds is made to be all that? I'd trade him in a heartbeat, for one of the greatest Centers to play the game, even if he is aging..

Last I saw, Delonte wasnt exactally getting them past Orlando?

There are many players such as Delonte in the league, he is replaceable

[selby56]

You make it seem like he'd trade James before Delonte...

A guard who averages 11 points, 3 assists and 3 rebounds is made to be all that? I'd trade him in a heartbeat, for one of the greatest Centers to play the game, even if he is aging..

Last I saw, Delonte wasnt exactally getting them past Orlando?

There are many players such as Delonte in the league, he is replaceable

You didn't mention his defense, he is by far our best guard on defense. It took us a good while to find a solid SG like West. We had Dajuan Wagner before, then Larry Hughes, we had Gibson at SG for a while, then Sasha, then Wally and Delonte were rotating at PG and SG, and Delonte is the best we have had since Lebron has come around, and out of all of them, he has the smallest contract, so why would we get rid of him? You have to be a Cleveland fan to understand. He might be replacable, but you'd have to pay a heck of a lot more.

[gladdyontherise]

You didn't mention his defense, he is by far our best guard on defense. It took us a good while to find a solid SG like West. We had Dajuan Wagner before, then Larry Hughes, we had Gibson at SG for a while, then Sasha, then Wally and Delonte were rotating at PG and SG, and Delonte is the best we have had since Lebron has come around, and out of all of them, he has the smallest contract, so why would we get rid of him? You have to be a Cleveland fan to understand. He might be replacable, but you'd have to pay a heck of a lot more.

And when his contract ends he will be gone....They will not be able to afford almost any good player after signing LeBron and one other max contract, i'm assuming Cleveland isnt willing to pay the luxury tax either....

I'm just saying, he is easily replaceable, so i dont understand how he is essentially the most valueable to the team..

[selby56]

And when his contract ends he will be gone....They will not be able to afford almost any good player after signing LeBron and one other max contract, i'm assuming Cleveland isnt willing to pay the luxury tax either....

I'm just saying, he is easily replaceable, so i dont understand how he is essentially the most valueable to the team..

Fact of the matter is, the Cavs aren't that far away from a Championship. There is no need to trade players that have been doing a good job. So lets say we do trade Delonte, our line up is:
PG-Mo
SG-Gibson
SF-Lebron
PF-(Maybe Sheed, maybe Varejao, or maybe someone else)
C-Shaq

So lets look at this for a second...by starting Gibson at SG, we automatically are a weaker team. Gibson can't play defense, and he is an inconsistant shooter. And your probaby going to say that we can make a trade or pick up a Free Agent...but we can only trade so many players and we can only sign one Free Agent probably, and no solid SG will want to sign what we have to offer. We would be trading three players for Shaq, if we did we could resign Wally to try and trade him for another SG, but we are going to have to trade more than just Wally for a solid SG, and who else do we have that is worth trading besides scrub players? Lets say we have that starting line-up, our bench will consist of Ilgauskas, Hickson, Kinsey, Jackson, possibley Wally and a few other garbage players. That is a terrible bench. Delonte is a solid player, and if we traded him, our team would be much weaker. He is by no means the most valuable player, but we would be a lot worse without him, just because of who we would have starting and who we would have on our bench.

[gladdyontherise]

Fact of the matter is, the Cavs aren't that far away from a Championship. There is no need to trade players that have been doing a good job. So lets say we do trade Delonte, our line up is:
PG-Mo
SG-Gibson
SF-Lebron
PF-(Maybe Sheed, maybe Varejao, or maybe someone else)
C-Shaq

So lets look at this for a second...by starting Gibson at SG, we automatically are a weaker team. Gibson can't play defense, and he is an inconsistant shooter. And your probaby going to say that we can make a trade or pick up a Free Agent...but we can only trade so many players and we can only sign one Free Agent probably, and no solid SG will want to sign what we have to offer. We would be trading three players for Shaq, if we did we could resign Wally to try and trade him for another SG, but we are going to have to trade more than just Wally for a solid SG, and who else do we have that is worth trading besides scrub players? Lets say we have that starting line-up, our bench will consist of Ilgauskas, Hickson, Kinsey, Jackson, possibley Wally and a few other garbage players. That is a terrible bench. Delonte is a solid player, and if we traded him, our team would be much weaker. He is by no means the most valuable player, but we would be a lot worse without him, just because of who we would have starting and who we would have on our bench.

Not saying start Gibson, but i think West is a product of an offensive system and that they could plug someone else in his role and have close to the same results...

I'm still lost how you guys want Sheed though? He is a bad defender and you should know this, remember the playoffs

[nadeau01_johnson48]

No way we trade West, Dan.

You take Delonte off the team, and Joe Johnson/Kobe Bryant/Rip Hamilton/Ray Allen/etc. all go off for 40 a night on Gibson or whoever is put there at SG. He's too big of a part of our defense to get rid of him. His numbers are irrelevant--it's his defense that means so much to the Cavaliers.

There's really no one else to put at SG if Delonte goes. Obviously Wally isn't an option. Gibson is absolute garbage. Tarence Kinsey would be the only guy left, and no team with Tarence Kinsey starting is going to win a championship.

It wouldn't make sense to trade someone who's part of the Cavaliers future for a guy who would be part of a one-year run at a championship.

[gladdyontherise]

No way we trade West, Dan.

You take Delonte off the team, and Joe Johnson/Kobe Bryant/Rip Hamilton/Ray Allen/etc. all go off for 40 a night on Gibson or whoever is put there at SG. He's too big of a part of our defense to get rid of him. His numbers are irrelevant--it's his defense that means so much to the Cavaliers.

There's really no one else to put at SG if Delonte goes. Obviously Wally isn't an option. Gibson is absolute garbage. Tarence Kinsey would be the only guy left, and no team with Tarence Kinsey starting is going to win a championship.

It wouldn't make sense to trade someone who's part of the Cavaliers future for a guy who would be part of a one-year run at a championship.

Well you have to go to every possibility to get LeBron to stay with the Cavs, who would you rather not have Delonte or LeBron if thats what it came to hypothetically, without LeBron the team will be garbage, the franchise cant afford to lose him..they need to do whatever he wants at this point

[nadeau01_johnson48]

Well you have to go to every possibility to get LeBron to stay with the Cavs, who would you rather not have Delonte or LeBron if thats what it came to hypothetically, without LeBron the team will be garbage, the franchise cant afford to lose him..they need to do whatever he wants at this point

LeBron isn't leaving. Regardless. The media (ESPN) hypes up all this garbage about him leaving, when he's never once said he wouldn't stay in Cleveland, and he has always said that he's extremely happy with the direction the Cavs are going. Shaq would be nice, sure. But keeping Delonte (who LeBron really likes playing with) makes more sense than having Shaq for one year--if you're basing this deal off of "will LeBron stay longer with this deal?".

[selby56]

Not saying start Gibson, but i think West is a product of an offensive system and that they could plug someone else in his role and have close to the same results...

I'm still lost how you guys want Sheed though? He is a bad defender and you should know this, remember the playoffs

We could plug someone in, but if we make this big trade to get Shaq and send out 3 players, one of them being our starting SG, our bench is weaker and we don't have any other players that are worth trading to get another SG. I'd like to get Shaq, but what they want isn't worth it in my opinion, only because we wouldn't have any one worth starting to replace Delonte and we wouldn't be able to sign or trade for anyone to replace Delonte.

I'm not really on one side or the other about Sheed, on one hand, he is better than what we currently have, but on the other, he hasn't gotten along best with a few of our players and it might not work out. I just think the Cavs will end up signing him, he wants to be a Cavalier, he has said he would be willing to sign for our MLE, and he is better than Varejao.

[gladdyontherise]

LeBron isn't leaving. Regardless. The media (ESPN) hypes up all this garbage about him leaving, when he's never once said he wouldn't stay in Cleveland, and he has always said that he's extremely happy with the direction the Cavs are going. Shaq would be nice, sure. But keeping Delonte (who LeBron really likes playing with) makes more sense than having Shaq for one year.

You have to think of it like this, the Cavs have missed getting many guys LeBron wanted, and should he sign a max deal, his next contract would be in his early 30s, this is a big decision for him, if he makes the wrong choice he will waste away his prime and possibly not get a ring...

He never said though he will stay with the Cavs, now has he?